KIRKBY MOVE REJECTED

[Makis]

Cool. Watch us move on now.

One things for sure, those screaming for glamour signings that have been vocal against the move can shut the [Poor language removed] up.

Are you implying that Everton would have been making glamour signings if the club moved to Kirkby?

Behave reidy, we've been actively looking for a new ground for over 10 years.

Yes, and there was, for instance, the KD plan which failed because BK didn't want to give up some of his control to Gregg.

Now I think we will see serious attempts to buy the club and some serious offers for a stadium. What has happened to the Peel thing? Will that resurface? Maybe the club could finally really look at the Bestway option rather than just rejecting it out-of-hand because guys who were going to make a fortune on the Kirkby stadium said it was not a good idea?

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I would love to share Davek's optimism, but this is Everton. Good things don't happen.

I think tonight, Gentlemen, we are all losers.

Three years wasted.

Well maybe...but if you weigh it up against 150-200 years of playing our football in a cowshed stuck next to the M56, then I'd say we had a lucky escape.

Watch us rise like a phoenix from the ashes...be postive something will happen in the next 12 months that will be the catalyst for the re-birth of our mighty club.

* makes frantic phonecall to peel holdings*

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Christ, it feels even better this morning........!!!!




Fukk off to Norway....

The citys all our's......

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

I think a little bit of perspective is called for:

This isn't a victory (pyrrhic, or otherwise) for anyone who supports the club and this includes KEIOC.

It is the end of a failure. For all their occasionally dodgy and misguided methods, KEIOC were right, Destination Kirkby was never going to be allowed, and the Club has spent a lot of time and money pursuing a dead end, alienating LCC and a large portion of the fanbase as it did so.

Meanwhile, the likes of Bestway offered a solution (spending a cool £1M of their own hard-earned to do so) that the Club couldn't even entertain looking into due to the ever extending exclusivity clause.

Danny, I think this is what RBOG is talking about when he says let's see what else rolls in. I'm sure we've all seen the sketches doing the rounds for Clarence Dock Mk II (with all the skyscrapers and rooftop trining pitch for Joey's hoof practice), the loop may even still be an option (if Bestway are still talking to us) but nobody will have committed any serious funding to proposals until this decison because they saw the way the Club treated Bestway.

It's a shame that we've wasted years on this, it's a shame that the Club has soured relationships that will need to be rebuilt, but it's time to move on, and hopefully now our hands are untied we can encourage, rather than discourage, potential development partners.

Don't mourn Kirkby too much, the Stadium design wasn't great, the Project wasn't great. Who, hand on heart, can genuinely say that they thought the Kirkby Stadium was an exciting and fitting home for our great club, as opposed to just being slightly more modern and a better income generator than GP? It was dull, uninspiring, and a bit of a cop out all things considered; and it was never deliverable - as we have just found out.

Let's see what the next one's like, eh?

this is exactly the point i was trying to make, i put it as simply as possible, being not particularly on either side of the fence through the whole process. the way i saw it is, i wasnt entitled to a vote cos at the time i wasn't going to games, so i had to accept whatever decision was made, but 2 things baffled me
not looking at other options that have come along in the 3 years.
would we be made up with the 'world class venue' in even 10 years time.

I'm from Lincoln mate, Kirkby means sod all to me. Until the whole stadium thing came up I thought it was just an area of Liverpool.

I was pro the move because as others have said, a new stadium is essential to our progression as a football club. Surely everyone agrees on that?? Kirkby was billed as the only viable option, and to oppose the whole thing just because of a technicality in it being out of the city just seems completely ridiculous to me.


out of the city wasn't my bugbear with it all, i'm also not from the city but my mrs and her family are from kirkby, they are scousers.



Not really. Explains itself really. We've had 3 years wasted on this and now people are celebrating the fact that we can wait even longer. Baffles me, to say the least.


i asked because it didn't think it did, like i said i put it as simply as i could, there was nothing in what i said to analyse, just read and take for what it says. the 3 years stopping us from speaking to bestway and any others is what will cause any further delay. all i've ever heard people say that work for knowsley council/ an mp who was secretary for culture media & sport say was that it wouldn't be approved.



Grow up mate. This is a forum, people have different opinions. I'm not very good at ganging up? Well, good..

the post you had replied to wasn't casting any opinion at all in fact it was an attempt at preventing it turning to full scale battle on here. i also dont think i need someone of your age to tell me to grow up either, going a bit above your station there lad.

 

[Welton Toffee]

the post you had replied to wasn't casting any opinion at all in fact it was an attempt at preventing it turning to full scale battle on here. i also dont think i need someone of your age to tell me to grow up either, going a bit above your station there lad.

Well similarly I don't appreciate being accused of 'ganging up' when I was doing nothing of the sort. Age has nothing to do with it. I take my position as a mod seriously and would never 'gang up' on anyone regardless of age, post count etc. etc.

Anyways, the post by Dennis Stevens sums it up for me. It is bad news for us as a club, regardless of whether people were for or against the move.

 

[kenada_blue]

Board needs to go now.

They're a bit like Moyes at the moment - out of ideas.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

elstone on sky, saying they will have to see if the shared stadium is an option, we will have to look at all options put to them. also we will have to see if it was rejected outrite or if alterations would get it through.

i just hope there aren't scaled down plans with a 30,000 version of halliwell jones at warrington.

 

[kenada_blue]

elstone on sky, saying they will have to see if the shared stadium is an option, we will have to look at all options put to them. also we will have to see if it was rejected outrite or if alterations would get it through.

i just hope there aren't scaled down plans with a 30,000 version of halliwell jones at warrington.

As mentioned....the club is so out of ideas Im not surprised if we build a stadium out of lego.

 

[davek]

elstone on sky, saying they will have to see if the shared stadium is an option, we will have to look at all options put to them. also we will have to see if it was rejected outrite or if alterations would get it through.

i just hope there aren't scaled down plans with a 30,000 version of halliwell jones at warrington.

The Sec of State's report allows for that possibilty. But even if Everton wanted that (which they dont, Elstone has said so this morning) it would need a fresh application taking years to go through.

In other words: absolutely no chance of this even being mooted.

 

[Rugby Toffee]

Mind you the way we are playing, any council pitch will do

 

[Neiler]

Gutted to be honest, for me and i very much hope im wrong this is a decison that has just committed us to mediocrity for the next ten years, like i say i hope im worng, but the context for any self sustained progress and atractivenes in terms of investment has just radically taken hit. I fully expect refreshing our page every 30th of August to see have we signed someone on loan for the next five to ten years if Moyesy stays????. I really hope Moyesy wasnt balanceing his future on the progress the club could make either by investment or self sustainability by moving to a new ground, i do worry though.

It is ironic that those less enamoured with Bill and clapping this decison, they are mearely clapping the fact that he is more likely to be our custodian for the next ten years now.

This decison is a piviotal point in Evertons future IMO and as has already been proven standing still these days means falling behind.

It has to be said that this whole process has been massively detremential to the club, the spirt of the fanbase and also in a fiscal sense - surely this must have cost the club over 10 million we cant really afford to throw around.

I dont expect any real progress to be made on a new stadium now for the next three years -I dont really buy the view that monsturious hotels or other alternatives are as readily available or viable as some like to think. But lets give the whizz kids a chance certainly anything put forward thats viable and will progress the club i will support - just dont think it will happen for the medium or long term - which will undoubhtedly have an effect on the present.

This decison is a bad and dark day for Everton football club IMO.

 

[davek]

Gutted to be honest, for me and i very much hope im wrong this is a decison that has just committed us to mediocrity for the next ten years, like i say i hope im worng, but the context for any self sustained progress and atractivenes in terms of investment has just radically taken hit. I fully expect refreshing our page every 30th of August to see have we signed someone on loan for the next five to ten years if Moyesy stays????. I really hope Moyesy wasnt balanceing his future on the progress the club could make either by investment or self sustainability by moving to a new ground, i do worry though.

It is ironic that those less enamoured with Bill and clapping this decison, they are mearely clapping the fact that he is more likely to be our custodian for the next ten years now.

This decison is a piviotal point in Evertons future IMO and as has already been proven standing still these days means falling behind.

It has to be said that this whole process has been massively detremential to the club, the spirt of the fanbase and also in a fiscal sense - surely this must have cost the club over 10 million we cant really afford to throw around.

I dont expect any real progress to be made on a new stadium now for the next three years -I dont really buy the view that monsturious hotels or other alternatives are as readily available or viable as some like to think. But lets give the whizz kids a chance certainly anything put forward thats viable and will progress the club i will support - just dont think it will happen for the medium or long term - which will undoubhtedly have an effect on the present.

This decison is a bad and dark day for Everton football club IMO.

Nonsense.

 

[Neiler]

Nonsense.

Indeed!

 

[davek]

Indeed!

We dodged a bullet.

Rejoice.

 

[Neiler]

We dodged a bullet.

Rejoice.

Not for me mate - but fair play to those who didnt beleive in it, you have to admire the persistence and conviction regardless of opinion.

Same old stew different day - now - and for the forseeable future IMO!