Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Blue 1]

Good job Everton aren't playing this weekend, isn't it?

 

[Tin-Tin]

if it was the u.k. theyd probably give hamas letters giving them lifetime immunity

Depends on how much they donate to the Tory party. A couple million would do it. Happy enough to be friendly with Putins lot, why not Hamas.

 

[peteblue]

Well after the events play themselves out you would expect the Israeli government and its western backers to stop trying to bypass and block a Palestinian state.

Look to engage in a genuine peace process rather than changing the facts on the ground via illegal settlement construction and work towards the that goal.

In the short term Israelis lose the moral high ground by telling civilians to head south then bomb the convoys of civilians heading that way…..that wanton murder and destroys any moral or legal justification Fir the Gaza siege as it is deliberately targeted civilians like the terrorist Hamas.

By the way if Israel decides to tell civilians to leave Gaza and then not allow them back in and then allow settlers to move in then it is nothing more than a terror state.

Now let’s hear what your solution is Pete

I would set up a Palestinian state over on the West Bank. Done over a few years and paid for by western and Arab countries. That would be the longer term solution, but I would engage with Egypt and Jordan to make this happen, by asking both of them to take over Gaza and an agreed area of the West Bank immediately and oversee the transition. Both Israelis and Palestinians would want to live without war, but during the transition I would want the two aforementioned countries to help eliminate the terrorist groups in order for this to be obtained….

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Something I was thinking, why does Israel appear to hold to much sway globally? They're not a financial powerhouse, not a major manufacturer etc, so why do so many countries unconditionally support them?

They are a financial powerhouse. Many of the world’s billionaires are Jewish and a fair number no doubt support Israel.

 

[Ferguson1878]

I would set up a Palestinian state over on the West Bank. Done over a few years and paid for by western and Arab countries. That would be the longer term solution, but I would engage with Egypt and Jordan to make this happen, by asking both of them to take over Gaza and an agreed area of the West Bank immediately and oversee the transition. Both Israelis and Palestinians would want to live without war, but during the transition I would want the two aforementioned countries to help eliminate the terrorist groups in order for this to be obtained….

you could of just said this in the first place instead of going round the world asking people what they’d do

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I don’t think it’s anti-Semitic to state that within the Jewish population there is a Cabal working for their own interests. It’s similar to saying that with Italian population there is a Mafia that exists which works in its own interests.
The problem lies within the greater Jewish community ignoring or failing to hold this community to account. That’s what has happened in Israel and this Cabal just sacrificed 1500+ of their own to further their own interests.

It might be better to take a position that in all human societies their are groups of 'elites' working for their own interest. These elites have wealth and power in common and work to sustain and grow these privileges; and these elite groups tend to cross religious and racial lines but work together for mutual benefit.

 

[Toffeeslam]

I would set up a Palestinian state over on the West Bank. Done over a few years and paid for by western and Arab countries. That would be the longer term solution, but I would engage with Egypt and Jordan to make this happen, by asking both of them to take over Gaza and an agreed area of the West Bank immediately and oversee the transition. Both Israelis and Palestinians would want to live without war, but during the transition I would want the two aforementioned countries to help eliminate the terrorist groups in order for this to be obtained….

Aye fair enough with that

The biggest issue is marginalising the extremist on both sides and sorting out tricky issues like Jerusalem and water rights and stuff like that

 

[tsubaki]

Some of the saddest and most heartening responses to the situation are coming from family members of those people killed and kidnapped by Hamas. Some of those who would have more reason than anyone to be wanting to see Gaza flattened are the ones calling for restraint and peace.

It makes you think there is still hope for humanity

God bless those people, to have the strength to do that now is incredible.

 

[TheFinnFan]

So hardly legitimate then

so you admit they are bad. Bad peeps need to be rooted out of that land. Then good Palestinians can start over.

 

[Calvin]

It might be better to take a position that in all human societies their are groups of 'elites' working for their own interest. These elites have wealth and power in common and work to sustain and grow these privileges; and these elite groups tend to cross religious and racial lines but work together for mutual benefit.

Indeed, but in this case, the elites within Jewish society seem to have global reach and implications rather than national / regional. There are people talking WW3 scenarios etc, maybe hysteria. Over what and who. A tiny fraction of the worlds population. Are they so important as that?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Well after the events play themselves out you would expect the Israeli government and its western backers to stop trying to bypass and block a Palestinian state.

Look to engage in a genuine peace process rather than changing the facts on the ground via illegal settlement construction and work towards the that goal.

In the short term Israelis lose the moral high ground by telling civilians to head south then bomb the convoys of civilians heading that way…..that wanton murder and destroys any moral or legal justification Fir the Gaza siege as it is deliberately targeted civilians like the terrorist Hamas.

By the way if Israel decides to tell civilians to leave Gaza and then not allow them back in and then allow settlers to move in then it is nothing more than a terror state.

Now let’s hear what your solution is Pete

But what if Iran's proxy Hamas's attack was not a coincidence. What is Iran did not want the recent assertion from both Israeli and Saudi authorities that they were progressing steadily towards a transformative agreement capable of reshaping the landscape of the Middle East with the support of the US.

There is a much bigger picture than Hamas, Israel and the Palastianian people caught bewteen the two.

 

[mightymoyes]

so you admit they are bad. Bad peeps need to be rooted out of that land. Then good Palestinians can start over.

Bye bye to the Israeli govt if that's the criteria

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It is complex, but thats what politicians, diplomats, military leaders, human rights organisations etc are there for. Of course they are right to be horrified. They are right to offer support to Israel at that moment but with caveats. Instead they heard what the Israeli goverment were spewing and still offered unconditional support. Its only in the last few days leaders have started to backtrack slightly and talk about civilians. Its too late though, they had already emboldened the Israeli goverment into commiting what amounts to war crimes.

I think it is reasonable to say that of all the international actors watching this mess, the ones who would benefit least from it escalating are the west, especially due to the situation with Putin and Ukraine and the power struggle with China. Whereas the west will want restraint Putin, Iran and Xi will see opportunity in escalation and stoking the fire.

 

[Moomin]

so you admit they are bad. Bad peeps need to be rooted out of that land. Then good Palestinians can start over.

Like what the Ruskies done to Finland.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Bye bye to the Israeli govt if that's the criteria

Im pretty sure it's Hamas as a political force that is done already. Israel govt will fall at some point but who ever is in power in Israel the aim is the same, terrorist advisorys wont last long.