Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Considering in your first post to me you called me a bigot, I’d say that maybe you should look in the mirror.......

no i said you come across as one, read the post again and answer the question.....why do you refuse to listen......

 

[peteblue]

no i said you come across as one, read the post again and answer the question.....why do you refuse to listen......

I don’t refuse to listen...

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I don’t refuse to listen...

all the evidence shows that you do.......

Pete I'll say this for the final bloody time.....

 

[peteblue]

all the evidence shows that you do.......

To use your own words .......”its dead boring and repetitive”......

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

To use your own words .......”its dead boring and repetitive”......

so you refuse to listen because you think the explanations are dead boring and repetitive when its you who is being dead boring and repetitive.......

 

[Charlie Sweet]

See @peteblue answer below answer the question?

Unless it was typed in magic ink I can't see any answer Joey.

I don’t refuse to listen...

Really? You keep going with the line that the UK won't put in place a hard border and that, if one happens, it will be the EU's fault.

That simply isn't true.

Likewise you posed a question on what the EU could have done better. I responded and you have thus far ignored it.

 

[peteblue]

I posted this question

Ok, let’s try another tack. Is there anything that the EU could do to make this border issue easier.......answers I expect none......

I received two replies, both of which just slagged off the U.K. government, with yours at least saying trade negotiations could have been done in parallel(something that all Brexit voters said should have happened first anyway) before slagging off the U.K. government again....if you believe that that is the only possible thing that the EU could possibly do to make the border issue easier, then we are all screwed......

 

[Ron Swanson]

Not just Pete and I voted for Brexit 17.4 million in the UK voted for it too, democracy should win!

You're right, it should. But we are governed by a representational democracy where referendums are advisory to parliament. If a majority in parliament think that Brexit is wrong, then going through with it is counter to our democratic system.

 

[Ruairi77]

Likewise you posed a question on what the EU could have done better. I responded and you have thus far ignored it.

In fairness Pete, Charlie has a point here. I read your question and then your moaning that no one would answer, Charlie gave you a well thought out response that you refused to listen to, instead, you got yourself in to an argument about refusing to listen.

You can bang on for the next 1000 pages about a hard border being the fault of the EU but everyone knows that this is all because of a reckless, ill conceived brexit referendum.
You're a romantic nationalist Pete, nothing on here is ever going to change your opinion but if you are demanding answers to your questions, atleast give them a considered response.

 

[Ron Swanson]

This is just rubbish. How many people did they ask and what was the question. I can’t believe that any sane person, apart from the EU, would want to destabilise the peace process.......

Give me a poll that counters it and I'll concede. It's not long since we had 'no blacks, no dogs, no Irish' signs in parts of Britain. I'd very much believe that the average Brexiter doesn't give a [Poor language removed] about NI.

 

[peteblue]

You're right, it should. But we are governed by a representational democracy where referendums are advisory to parliament. If a majority in parliament think that Brexit is wrong, then going through with it is counter to our democratic system.

Parliament has already voted and as a result article 50 has been invoked, we are leaving the EU....so the majority of people voted to leave the EU, Parliament voted to invoke article 50, the process was officially started by both the U.K. and the EU, yet still the remainers won’t accept the result........democracy indeed......

 

[Ron Swanson]

I’m sure that everyone is very sorry for the reduced tourism for ROI. The EU played no part in U.K. ROI relations, and the EU suffered no deaths or bombings as a result. Why are you worrying about Lithuania, Spain, Poland, Romania and Greece borders, all of which are porous, or are you so conditioned by EU law that you have forgotten what your own country is about.

The U.K. will control its borders as it wishes, with immigration as it wishes, all of which can be done via a myriad of means. Your concern should be about the border in question yet you are going on about Farage and Spain and Romania. Forget them and their individual issues, concentrate purely on what you need in Ireland to make the people of Ireland safe and prosperous......

Oh please, stop being condescending. Tourism and international investment make up a large part of the Irish economy. The troubles stifled that for decades. And yeah, the deaths in Monaghan and Dublin still rankle.

The EU has been contributing to Ireland and Northern Ireland since the 80s. Since the 90s it's contributed billions to the NI peace fund. And again, the two member states of the EU experienced bombings ergo the EU WAS affected.

I am concentrating on making N.Ireland (note that you referred to Ireland as a single entity) prosperous and peaceful. That is why I voted remain. That is why i strongly oppose us leaving the single market. N.Ireland agriculture is propped up by the EU. Our infrastructure and community projects have been backed by the EU. Compared to what we contribute to the EU, NI gets more back in subsidies and grants.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Parliament has already voted and as a result article 50 has been invoked, we are leaving the EU....so the majority of people voted to leave the EU, Parliament voted to invoke article 50, the process was officially started by both the U.K. and the EU, yet still the remainers won’t accept the result........democracy indeed......

Would you accept it if a parliamentary majority rejected brexit proposals now resulting in the overturning of the decision to leave?

 

[tsubaki]

Parliament has already voted and as a result article 50 has been invoked, we are leaving the EU....so the majority of people voted to leave the EU, Parliament voted to invoke article 50, the process was officially started by both the U.K. and the EU, yet still the remainers won’t accept the result........democracy indeed......

These are two separate issues. Should the result be respected? Yes. Should the implementation of the result be a matter for Parliamentary and public scrutiny? Of course.

No-one voted in the referendum for Theresa May to negotiate badly. She has no mandate to do it.

 

[peteblue]

Give me a poll that counters it and I'll concede. It's not long since we had 'no blacks, no dogs, no Irish' signs in parts of Britain. I'd very much believe that the average Brexiter doesn't give a [Poor language removed] about NI.

Oh dear god, ‘no blacks, no dogs, no Irish’........I’ll leave that one......but I would agree that the average Brexiteer is not interested about NI, apart from those in NI who voted to leave, and those like myself of Irish extraction, and even then I admitted that I hadn’t considered the border issue when I voted. Remain voters however, to a man and woman are now very interested in NI and how the border issue can be used to reverse the vote. However, we are where we are, a sensible trade deal could reduce the issue of the border, but as the horse has been put before the cart other options need to be examined which is what I’ve tried, and failed, to raise.......