Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[tsubaki]

The U.K. is having the agenda dictated to them, it was always going to be and will continue to be the case.

With this current Government certainly.

There were always possibilities with regards to Ireland and the GFA though - not least the fact that the Irish are treated far more favourably than other EU citizens are - but they require the UK Government to have a sane policy on EU migration post-Brexit, which it does not have.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Fine, so you are happy for a hard border as required by the EU, so what’s the next issue........

They are not enforcing a border, they are demanding one.......

Pete have you just gone through life simply ignoring any fact you dont like the sound of?!

The UK chose to leave the EU via Brexit. The vote should never have happened before solutions to key issues were put in place but anyway we are where we are now.

WTO rules would require the UK to enforce a hard border in Ireland.

So please stop with this rubbish of saying it's Ireland's fault or Brussels. Its not. It is entirely of the UKs making.

Dublin and the EU are simply saying what every sane person is saying - how can you keep playing both sides of the border argument and just rely on saying "high-tech" and "technology" instead of any real detail.

 

[Joey66]

Pete have you just gone through life simply ignoring any fact you dont like the sound of?!

The UK chose to leave the EU via Brexit. The vote should never have happened before solutions to key issues were put in place but anyway we are where we are now.

WTO rules would require the UK to enforce a hard border in Ireland.

So please stop with this rubbish of saying it's Ireland's fault or Brussels. Its not. It is entirely of the UKs making.

Dublin and the EU are simply saying what every sane person is saying - how can you keep playing both sides of the border argument and just rely on saying "high-tech" and "technology" instead of any real detail.

The south and the North do not want a hard border - end of the EU are putting the cart before the horse deliberately to try and stop Brexit!

 

[Joey66]

How so mate?

What is the stimulus for this set of circumstances and why is change necessary, the cornel of the issue is change within the U.K., every time.

A trade deal should be agreed, and thst would almost certainly help to conclude no hard border is needed in Ireland!

 

[Neiler]

Have you ever seen a negotiated agreement where one side has the agenda dictated to them, I can think of just three occasions, with Germany in WW1 and WW2 and Japan in WW2. I didn’t realise we were at war with the EU, but if we are then so be it.......

That a bit hyperbole mate, but also naive, it’s very basic what do the U.K. have that Europe needs? Not a lot. What does Europe have that the U.K. needs, quite a lot. What did you think was going to happen the U.K. do a Harry Potter spell and was going to manic up some leverage to negotiate.

The U.K. isn’t Ireland’s or Europe’s priority, Ireland and the EU are.

It was never going to be any different. Such is politics, best to accept the reality and do your best.

 

[Neiler]

A trade deal should be agreed, and thst would almost certainly help to conclude no hard border is needed in Ireland!

Why? The ROI of Ireland clear priority is to agree agree a positive outcome on the border situation staying within the parameters and laws of the common market. It’s not just illegal, it just makes no sense when the ROI can have both.

It’s just wishing what you would like to happen really mate, I don’t blame you would be great if the U.K. got their redline issues over the line without having to look at awkward border issues, especially when the government is propped up by the DUP. Unfortunately it won’t happen. The U.K. are is a very difficult position. A new government would have some hope.

 

[Neiler]

With this current Government certainly.

There were always possibilities with regards to Ireland and the GFA though - not least the fact that the Irish are treated far more favourably than other EU citizens are - but they require the UK Government to have a sane policy on EU migration post-Brexit, which it does not have.

I agree on the government mate, it’s very unstable and lacks competency.

Agreed there was always going to be issues with GFA. Personally I think eventually it will be modified in the context of Brexit and emerging circumstances to support the peace process which is far more important then Brexit. The agreement can be amended to take account on the new reality of isolation from the U.K. but I believe it would and should be mandated which it would clearly get on the border issue but the vast majority would vote to preserve the peace process.

If I’m honest I think the U.K. are going to cave and make massive concessions broadly on the Brexit process re: migration and on other issues.

 

[hullefc]

Ok, let’s try another tack. Is there anything that the EU could do to make this border issue easier.......answers I expect none......

May agreed in December that the fall back position, if there is no trade agreement, the north of the island of Ireland will stay in the customs union and the single market. In other words no border on the island of Ireland. This was a major u turn from what she said in 2016, which was that there will have to be border checks on goods and people on the island of Ireland.

As far as the Irish were concerned they took May at her word in December. But to their astonishment May wants to renege on what was agreed in December and she is now back to her 2016 position that there will have to be border checks. The Irish border issue is firmly in the UK's court, as is the border at Dover, or Liverpool, or Birmingham etc.. The UK are now saying they will not abide by what was agreed in December. It is extremely difficult for the RoI, or the EU to help the UK government resolve its border issue if it can't stick to an agreement. What the UK government agreed to in December will resolve the border issue. If May now chooses to go back to her position in 2016, and therefore not abide by what was agreed in December, then the UK will inevitably put border checks in place.

 

[Ruairi77]

Fine, so you are happy for a hard border as required by the EU, so what’s the next issue........

I’m happy with one single market, as required by the EU.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

The south and the North do not want a hard border - end of the EU are putting the cart before the horse deliberately to try and stop Brexit!

Agreed. The only threat and cause of a hard border is the UK under WTO rules.

A trade deal should be agreed, and thst would almost certainly help to conclude no hard border is needed in Ireland!

Thats what they've done. The legal text on a customs union was agreed in December as a fall back worst case scenario. everyone wants a better deal.

 

[peteblue]

May agreed in December that the fall back position, if there is no trade agreement, the north of the island of Ireland will stay in the customs union and the single market. In other words no border on the island of Ireland. This was a major u turn from what she said in 2016, which was that there will have to be border checks on goods and people on the island of Ireland.

As far as the Irish were concerned they took May at her word in December. But to their astonishment May wants to renege on what was agreed in December and she is now back to her 2016 position that there will have to be border checks. The Irish border issue is firmly in the UK's court, as is the border at Dover, or Liverpool, or Birmingham etc.. The UK are now saying they will not abide by what was agreed in December. It is extremely difficult for the RoI, or the EU to help the UK government resolve its border issue if it can't stick to an agreement. What the UK government agreed to in December will resolve the border issue. If May now chooses to go back to her position in 2016, and therefore not abide by what was agreed in December, then the UK will inevitably put border checks in place.

I asked a very simple question about what the EU could do to make this easier. I didn’t expect to get an answer and sure enough I didn’t get one. Credit for at least replying. Now perhaps try again and ask what the EU could do to make it easier.......again I expect no answers because you guys daren’t suggest anything that doesn’t attack the U.K.........

 

[peteblue]

That a bit hyperbole mate, but also naive, it’s very basic what do the U.K. have that Europe needs? Not a lot. What does Europe have that the U.K. needs, quite a lot. What did you think was going to happen the U.K. do a Harry Potter spell and was going to manic up some leverage to negotiate.

The U.K. isn’t Ireland’s or Europe’s priority, Ireland and the EU are.

It was never going to be any different. Such is politics, best to accept the reality and do your best.

Hahaha. The U.K. will be the EU’s and the ROI’s largest foreign market. The EU doesn’t want anything, apart from the enormous trade surplus it currently enjoys, and the defence capability provided by the U.K., fair enough........

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

As am I mate, and I’ve been saying that throughout this thread. Our Irish contingent however are demanding both an open border and an EU insisted hard border, and while blaming ‘the English’ for everything will not utter one single word against the disgraceful way the EU is behaving in this matter.........

whats your problem with irish lads pal ? you attack everything they say which makes you come across as a bit of a bigot tbf.......

 

[peteblue]

whats your problem with irish lads pal ? you attack everything they say which makes you come across as a bit of a bigot tbf.......

Read the posts. I have nothing against the Irish, I want only the best for them. Just like them I want the border to be free and open, unlike them I don’t believe everything is the fault of the U.K. and would also point a finger at the EU, which the Irish lads on here pointedly refuse to do. And, in a nutshell, that’s it.......

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Read the posts. I have nothing against the Irish, I want only the best for them. Just like them I want the border to be free and open, unlike them I don’t believe everything is the fault of the U.K. and would also point a finger at the EU, which the Irish lads on here pointedly refuse to do. And, in a nutshell, that’s it.......

i read them, they all explained to you that everything is not the EUs fault but you refuse to listen............