Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[peteblue]

I think they are just holding the line really, letting the UK goverment unravel, which I think is inevitable.

For me it suits the EU not to make progress, sterling is getting weaker by the day, that is helping the Euro no end. Look at the concept of extending the transition period just introduced the longer this limbo plays out the better for Europe the worse for the UK.

May isn’t getting through a transitition period in Goverment, I think she knows and will be relieved the burden of this will be carried by some one else, you can’t help but feel sorry for going to summit and asking other people to find solutions to problems her county mandated and elected her to mandate.

When a goverment can’t govern, an election is inevitable. Once the DUP are out of goverment you will find the border issue will be resolved quick enough.

There is only so long May can plate spin, it’s getting more ludicrous day by day.

However the longer this goes on suites Europe, business and markets.

Indeed, the EU are happy to spin this as long as possible because quite simply they would not be ready for a hard Brexit. Their banks would be unable to cope without London, but they are playing their cards well. Our amateurs and remain supporting civil service are not.......

 

[Brisan123]

People always discuss things when under serious threat. I believe that most politicians in NI and the U.K. are odious self serving cretins, but they understand self preservation.....

Exactly
And the DUP want to keep the status quo
They haven’t lived in a real democracy for hundreds of years and they don’t want to start now

 

[Brisan123]

Indeed, the EU are happy to spin this as long as possible because quite simply they would not be ready for a hard Brexit. Their banks would be unable to cope without London, but they are playing their cards well. Our amateurs and remain supporting civil service are not.......

I can guarantee you most banks and financial institutions based in London will either set up offices in the EU region or leave altogether

 

[Ruairi77]

People always discuss things when under serious threat. I believe that most politicians in NI and the U.K. are odious self serving cretins, but they understand self preservation.....

But Varadkars stance and pretty much everyone else in Ireland want the status quo to remain. Anything else would be seen as a renegotiation of the GFA. We voted overwhelmingly for the GFA as did Northern Ireland, there's already an agreement in place. Both NI and Ro Ireland want it to remain.
Anyhoo, got to go.

 

[peteblue]

I can guarantee you most banks and financial institutions based in London will either set up offices in the EU region or leave altogether

Not really, but we will see.....

 

[Neiler]

Indeed, the EU are happy to spin this as long as possible because quite simply they would not be ready for a hard Brexit. Their banks would be unable to cope without London, but they are playing their cards well. Our amateurs and remain supporting civil service are not.......

The London piece is interesting for sure, it’s whether you look at it as a loss or opportunity. Certainly London faces challenges in this environment and likely much competition.

I’m not sure banks would be unable to cope, Amsterdam, Zuirich, Frankfurt, Geneva, Luxembourg and Ireland have slowly gained on London , some offer better tax breaks too and their isn’t much difference between each in a globlised market place,. Geography in a globilised technological world is of little relevance as well, it does beg the question though of why would you have a European financial Centre in Europe that faces challenges and levys in trading in Europe. The cost of business is going to be critical, that’s something not going in London’s favour with Brexit, it might have to cut the ?European market loose and focus on becoming more wholly international.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I would never allow a terrorist to affect my vote.....

Correct.

Another day. Another politician talking up a "very real" threat of violence. This time Varadkar.

I don't get it. Who is going to cause this violence? I live here. No one other than a couple of hundred clowns on either side would support this? Those inclined to commit terror shouldn't even be given the privilege of being entered into the discussion.

Around 5 times more trade goes from NI to GB than NI to ROI. A permanent backstop to keep NI in the EU with a customs border with the rest of the UK, would be beyond daft. It creates barriers to trade with a place which accounts for most of our trade. Anyone supporting this does not have the best interests of NI at heart.

 

[Taifi gorm]

Basically annexing part of the UK ?

But annexing part of Ireland is grand like

 

[ToffeeTim]

Barnier is negotiating a purely Anglo Irish issue. We are more than capable of getting the right deal ourselves. It's a shambles of an arrangement with vested interests all over the show.

 

[Neiler]

Correct.

Another day. Another politician talking up a "very real" threat of violence. This time Varadkar.

I don't get it. Who is going to cause this violence? I live here. No one other than a couple of hundred clowns on either side would support this? Those inclined to commit terror shouldn't even be given the privilege of being entered into the discussion.

Around 5 times more trade goes from NI to GB than NI to ROI. A permanent backstop to keep NI in the EU with a customs border with the rest of the UK, would be beyond daft. It creates barriers to trade with a place which accounts for most of our trade. Anyone supporting this does not have the best interests of NI at heart.

But how much trade goes from NI to GB to Europe. A lot of commentators believe quite a significant portion.

 

[ToffeeTim]

But how much trade goes from NI to GB to Europe. A lot of commentators believe quite a significant portion.

There should be free trade between all parts of Ireland and all parts of the UK. We don't need others involved. This is in both our interests. May and Varadkar should be together sorting this out. It shouldn't even be complicated.

 

[Neiler]

There should be free trade between all parts of Ireland and all parts of the UK. We don't need others involved. This is in both our interests. May and Varadkar should be together sorting this out. It shouldn't even be complicated.

I think that’s the general idea of what the backstop is. However it includes the European market for NI.

The only bone of contention is the UK wants it apply to them and not just NI.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I think that’s the general idea of what the backstop is.

The only bone of contention is the UK wants it apply to them and not just NI.

Yes. And the backstop separates us from where most of our trade goes by implementing a customs border. Nevermind the fact it creates a customs border between two parts of the same nation.

I don't see how it's a good suggestion.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Correct.

Another day. Another politician talking up a "very real" threat of violence. This time Varadkar.

I don't get it. Who is going to cause this violence? I live here. No one other than a couple of hundred clowns on either side would support this? Those inclined to commit terror shouldn't even be given the privilege of being entered into the discussion.

Around 5 times more trade goes from NI to GB than NI to ROI. A permanent backstop to keep NI in the EU with a customs border with the rest of the UK, would be beyond daft. It creates barriers to trade with a place which accounts for most of our trade. Anyone supporting this does not have the best interests of NI at heart.

Only its not permanent. It is an insurance policy to ensure that the view of the majority of people in NI to remain in the EU is respected as required under an international treaty. And it should not be needed as even Teresa May has said.

 

[random]

It is an insurance policy to ensure that the view of the majority of people in NI to remain in the EU is respected as required under an international treaty

And Nicola Sturgeon will be at the ready as soon as any sort of agreement is reached given that Scotlands majority vote was also to remain.

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that it could be the start of the breakup of the UK.