Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Neiler]

Yes. And the backstop separates us from where most of our trade goes by implementing a customs border. Nevermind the fact it creates a customs border between two parts of the same nation.

I don't see how it's a good suggestion.

I think the Irish Sea separates NI anyway.

Seriously though personally I couldn’t be less bothered about customs or goods going to and from either market to the other tax free etc. NI is in a privalaged position and should snap the hand off the deal on the table. People talk of custom borders and the like, it’s ridiculous grandstanding.

Look at it this way, you fly from Belfast to London you are still going through security, customs process etc even if it’s just presenting your passport. People do it without any objection. Yet are prepared to go the extents we are witnessing and talking about the threat of violence over the journey of a chicken nugget, that they will never be involved in or even aware of in their daily lives. This is all politicking and very little to do with the issue at hand.

I suppose that is a valid view point from your point of view many wouldn’t identify being a part of the UK nation and more part of the Republic as you know.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

And Nicola Sturgeon will be at the ready as soon as any sort of agreement is reached given that Scotlands majority vote was also to remain.

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that it could be the start of the breakup of the UK.

True, but their position is not guaranteed under an international agreement so there is a big difference. And it should also be noted that many people of a unionist persuasion have rushing to obtain Irish passports (which they are entitled to as Irish citizens) since the referendum result. I think that tells you everything you need to know about what the people of NI as a whole think of Brexit.

 

[random]

True, but their position is not guaranteed under an international agreement so there is a big difference.

There is mate, however I doubt that would stop Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP from using it for political gain, no way they would pass up the opportunity.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

There is mate, however I doubt that would stop Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP from using it for political gain, no way they would pass up the opportunity.

Definitely not, they will be calling for another referendum on Scottish independence when the outcome of Brexit is known. And they are entitled to it as well since they were lied to in the last one about Scotland's future in the EU being guaranteed if they voted no to independence.

 

[random]

And they are entitled to it as well since they were lied to in the last one about Scotland's future in the EU being guaranteed if they voted no to independence.

Wonder if we will ever see honest politicians in our lifetime......

 

[Joey66]

Barnier is negotiating a purely Anglo Irish issue. We are more than capable of getting the right deal ourselves. It's a shambles of an arrangement with vested interests all over the show.

Ireland exports less than 5 percent to the EU ...... so why have the EU made a big deal of it maybe to stop Brexit......

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Ireland exports less than 5 percent to the EU ...... so why have the EU made a big deal of it maybe to stop Brexit......

Or maybe to protect the people of NI's right to remain in the EU as provided for under an international treaty.

But you go on if you want believing that the big bad EU are out to thwart dear old Blighty's thrust for freedom.

 

[Neiler]

Ireland exports less than 5 percent to the EU ...... so why have the EU made a big deal of it maybe to stop Brexit......

Eh:

Britian continued to be a major market for Ireland’s goods, rising by 8 per cent to €14.5 billion as Ireland exported more chemical products and livestock. Imports from Britain also rose, increasing 10 per ent to €17.3 billion on higher imports of mineral fuels and chemicals.

The departure of the UK from the EU may put pressure on the trading relations between Ireland and the UK. It is not yet known what terms the country will agree with the EU.

Trade with the US also grew last year compared with 2016, with exports up 4 per ent to €33.2 billion.

The EU accounted for €62.7 billion of Ireland’s exports in 2017, while exports to the non-EU countries rose marginally

https://www.irishtimes.com/business...-in-2017-trade-surplus-reaches-45bn-1.3393315

 

[Joey66]

Or maybe to protect the people of NI's right to remain in the EU as provided for under an international treaty.

But you go on if you want believing that the big bad EU are out to thwart dear old Blighty's thrust for freedom.

They have overturned 6 referendums they have a top record of it .........
VAT differs in the North and south as do taxes currencies -yet the systems in place could not deal with 5 percent EU trade ......
The UK wants no hard border, the North and South of Ireland do not a hard border yet who rakes up the trouble ....
The EU where they involved in the Good Friday agreement- NO .....
If May was not relying on the DUP for power she would have sold out by now which would have been wrong for both North and South.......
You would not be thanking EU if that was the situation for using Ireland for their own benefits........

 

[Joey66]

Eh:

Britian continued to be a major market for Ireland’s goods, rising by 8 per cent to €14.5 billion as Ireland exported more chemical products and livestock. Imports from Britain also rose, increasing 10 per ent to €17.3 billion on higher imports of mineral fuels and chemicals.

The departure of the UK from the EU may put pressure on the trading relations between Ireland and the UK. It is not yet known what terms the country will agree with the EU.

Trade with the US also grew last year compared with 2016, with exports up 4 per ent to €33.2 billion.

The EU accounted for €62.7 billion of Ireland’s exports in 2017, while exports to the non-EU countries rose marginally

https://www.irishtimes.com/business...-in-2017-trade-surplus-reaches-45bn-1.3393315

The North do not deal with the EU that much oh whe the republic were skint we the UK bailed them out not the EU.....

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

The North do not deal with the EU that much oh whe the republic were skint we bailed them out not the EU.....

Absolute tosh, it was the IMF who provide the funds for the bailout.

 

[Joey66]

Absolute tosh, it was the IMF who provide the funds for the bailout.

Gideon loaned 6 billion after the 2008' crash.......
Where were your precious EU then.........
When the republics banks were going to implode the U.K. Had self interest as for trade - the EU looked away......

 

[Neiler]

The North do not deal with the EU that much oh whe the republic were skint we the UK bailed them out not the EU.....

Not in a primary source but as I said many commentators have said much trade goes Ni-UK-EU.

I think you are bit misinformed there mate. The UK lent ROI 3.2 billion in 2010, thus far ROI has paid 358 million interest on that with the loan to be paid back in 2021 + interest.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business...400m-in-interest-on-uk-bailout-loan-1.3053791

The Eu via the IMF structural fund lent Ireland 67.5 billion.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Gideon loaned 6 billion after the 2008' crash.......
Where were your precious EU then.........
When the republics banks were going to implode the U.K. Had self interest as for trade - the EU looked away......

As you can see from the figures provided by @Neiler above, you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[Joey66]

Not in a primary source but as I said many commentators have said much trade goes Ni-UK-EU.

I think you are bit misinformed there mate. The UK lent ROI 3.2 billion in 2010, thus far ROI has paid 358 million interest on that with the loan to be paid back in 2021 + interest.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business...400m-in-interest-on-uk-bailout-loan-1.3053791

The Eu via the IMF structural fund lent Ireland 67.5 billion.

What interest did they pay back on that sum?....
If they loaned so much why did the UK have to dive in quickly to save the Irish banks would notbe EU berocrocy by any chance would it?.........
That EU funding is not there's it's the contributions from the main countries the UK being one of them........