Hypothetical Martinez question

[mkrudden]

Let’s be honest, at least under Moyes there was hope. I never thought ‘I’m so apathetic about Everton’, I never thought ‘I want us to lose so this clown gets fired’ I never thought ‘we’re going down’. There weren’t many times that I thought the players didn’t care under Moyes. Every game you could go into thinking ‘we’ve got a chance’ even if it didn’t work out.

Since then there’s been numerous times i’ve thought ‘how many will it be this time?’

Basically Moyes was a complete godsend during a period we should have gone down (everyone else did). Since then we’ve behaved like any other bottom 14 club hiring crap managers and letting gh buy crap players.

With his record against the teams above us, any 'hope' was ridiculous on our part.

 

[Jacko93]

We must never forget just how toxic the home games had become. It was an absolute chore to go to the game.

 

[mkrudden]

Roberto Martinez would have us playing far better with circa £200m.
Christ look at the RS. With their budget, they just went out an bought a guy who could defend to mitigate against the fact Klopp is a poor coach in this regard. Or plays a system which isolates his defenders. One of the two.

 

[MACCA75]

Robles
Alcaraz
Galloway
Funes Mori
McCarthy
Cleverley
Besic
McGeady
Atsu
Lennon
Kone
Traore
Niasse
Rodriguez

Just some of the utter mediocrity he signed. But yeah he wouldn’t have wasted the money..

 

[riddick]

Revisionism at it's finest right here. There is no doubt in my mind we would have been relegated if we unconditionally stuck with Martinez. I don't think there is a chance that both Stones and Lukaku go in that window after him if he was still around and I would not have trusted him, whatsoever, to get either one of those right.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Voted cheese on Toast as we'd be very similar I reckon. He was never gonna get us competing either so it's a fairly irrelevant question tho.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

Who would win a hypothetical fist fight between the saint (Simon Templer) and James Bond (Roger Moore)?

The Saint as played by Roger Moore, Ian Ogilvy or Val Kilmer?

 

[ToffeeTim]

I would say that as much as I dislike the man, and think he's a crap manager, i still prefer him to Allardyce because at least he ain't a coward who spends is life lowering expectations and lowering standards simply to preserve his own brand. Warped as he was, at least Martinez weren't a dinosaur.

Just wish we'd stop appointing diabolical managers.

 

[Thomasc]

Robles
Alcaraz
Galloway
Funes Mori
McCarthy
Cleverley
Besic
McGeady
Atsu
Lennon
Kone
Traore
Niasse
Rodriguez

Just some of the utter mediocrity he signed. But yeah he wouldn’t have wasted the money..

Oh yeah, forgot about those lol

Anybody attacking Ronko for his signings really needs to have a rethink!

 

[Fansince1988]

Martinez had a very good first season, but I think that was down to inheriting Moyes defence, no one has really been able to organise a defence here since Moyes was here, at the end I wanted Martinez gone, when things went wrong he had no idea how to fix it, something what Koeman was even worse at. With Sam I believe he can sort a defence out, but he's working with a defence that has never been very good, after losing four I think we are back to the boring basics from when Sam first arrived, but perhaps with Walcott (may be) and Tosun things may/should improve up front making it easier for the defenders. Defending solidly for 90 minutes any teams going to concede goals. Sorry went if topic a little.

 

[Tubey]

I can fairly confidently say we'd have been relegated either last season or this season if he was left in charge. The downward trajectory under him was alarming.

People don't seem to remember what it was actually like. There was no light at the end of the tunnel when he was here.

Seriously though, do football fans in general have long term memory issues? I mean, I actually do in general but not with football - it seems people completely rewrite the history books after 18 months or so.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

if that had been Everton under Smarty yesterday at the Pit messing around with the ball in our own half it would have been a cricket score.

 

[davek]

Leicester's title win was freakish, best take it away from them.

Amazing the lengths you go to try and make out a very poor manager is good. Let's not forget he managed to relegate Wigan, too.

• Resurrected Swansea football club
• Won the FA Cup with an ale house team against one of the most expensively assembled teams in European football
• Handed us our one and only season in the PL where we smashed through the 70 point ceiling
• Took Belgium to the World Cup in their best ever qualifying campaign

No apology required.

 

[davek]

No one on here would claim 7th as a 'successful season' but it was the realistic target last season and we achieved it. You seem to be making out like there was little difference in the 7th placed finish compared with the 11th placed ones and that is just not true.

The fact is we finished last season with 61 points, 15 points above 8th. In Martinez' final 2 seasons he had us fighting it out with the likes of Swansea (finished 9 points below them in 14/15), and we managed a pathetic return of 47 points in both of them.

Whilst we went through tough periods last season we still beat City 4-0 at home and had excellent home form. The home form during Martinez' final season was an absolute disgrace.

7th is nowhere. 5th is nowhere.

Gettng Everton playing football that wins a lot of matches and piles the points up to elite club levels is the measuring rod.

Moyes failed, Koeman failed, Martinez succeeded.

 

[davek]

Worst home record IN OUR WHOLE HISTORY.. that's nearly 140 years of football dave... literally couldn't hold onto a 2 goal lead with ten minutes left.

Was it? Brilliant.