Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

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mill said:
We don’t have a racism problem in the U.K.?
Are you for real?
this is not just about police brutality. BLM is about equality. It’s about so much more than just police brutality.
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Compared to America no we don't. We don't have police literally murdering people based on skin colour.

Racism exists everywhere , it will always exist while people still teach hate.

But right now it's about police brutality, in America. Not the UK, America. I ask again, why can't people in the UK support their cause without making it about them as well?

Because it's not black British people making it about racism in the UK btw........
 
Kenshin said:
Thank you for proving my point.

How about we all stop doing the #metoo nonsense?

People in America have started protesting at their anger because of the treatment of their people based on skin colour literally leading to police killing with racist tendancies.

That has nothing to do with anyone in this country , they aren't being murdered by police , they aren't being arrested because of their skin colour. We don't have this issue in the UK, we may have 30 years ago but pure racism doesn't exist in the UK bar a few minority horrible people.

So I ask again, why does everyone have to piggyback everything that happens. Why do everyone have to feel special and involved. Instead of just supporting their fellow humans in the issue THEY are having, why do people have to make it about them as well?
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"Aye boss, Adolf is gassing those Jews in the concentration camps, but it's not happening here so it's nothing to do with us." Some issues go beyond boarders.

Yes, there'll be people who are taking advantage or are partaking in token gestures for the wrong reasons, perhaps their own glorification, which is another issue.

Still, that doesn't negate the point that it is a global issue (discrimination and bigotry is a human issue), so if this raises awareness then it's not a bad thing.

'All that is required for evil to triumph is good men to do nothing' - Burke.
 
PhilM said:
"Aye boss, Adolf is gassing those Jews in the concentration camps, but it's not happening here so it's nothing to do with us." Some issues go beyond boarders.

Yes, there'll be people who are taking advantage or are partaking in token gestures for the wrong reasons, perhaps their own glorification, which is another issue.

Still, that doesn't negate the point that it is a global issue (discrimination and bigotry is a human issue), so if this raises awareness then it's not a bad thing.

'All that is required for evil to triumph is good men to do nothing' - Burke.
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But you prove my point yet again.

This is pretty much what you say. Hitler is gassing Jews , so here in the UK we are fighting for British Jewish rights for some reason even though we aren't gassing them.

And I'm not talking about doing nothing. How about as a nation we support Americans in their cause? It has nothing to do with our country and everything to do with America. So support THEM and not make it about us, much like the kopite thread is saying that about them, we are behaving like kopites by making an American issue about us.

But I don't see anyone here fighting against racism in other countries. Apparently China is rife with racism, no-one cares about them right now. Not a single mention of that.

So how about British people support the American cause without making it about them.
 
Charro said:
Nobody needs to hear what James corden has to say though.

He should give that platform to an activist, or a person who suffers on a daily basis because of the colour of their skin. They’re the people we need to hear from right now.

That’s the problem. People are angry because they’re not being listened to and that’s still continuing.
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WATCH IT!
 
Kenshin said:
But you prove my point yet again.

This is pretty much what you say. Hitler is gassing Jews , so here in the UK we are fighting for British Jewish rights for some reason even though we aren't gassing them.

And I'm not talking about doing nothing. How about as a nation we support Americans in their cause? It has nothing to do with our country and everything to do with America. So support THEM and not make it about us, much like the kopite thread is saying that about them, we are behaving like kopites by making an American issue about us.

But I don't see anyone here fighting against racism in other countries. Apparently China is rife with racism, no-one cares about them right now. Not a single mention of that.

So how about British people support the American cause without making it about them.
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I've seen a lot of black British commentary, saying it is about them and that they also live in a racist society.

Are you going to tell them they are incorrect?
 
Kenshin said:
Why are people protesting UK black rights now in the UK?

THIS ISN'T ABOUT THEM !!!!!!

Jesus why is everything have to be a meme.

People are protesting one particular location on earth for very specific reasons. Why does other people have to piggyback onto it just so they feel like they are joining in?!

Can't the world just join together for one cause without turning it into some online fad that everyone has to be a part of?
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I actually do agree with you.

Racism exists everywhere, that's not in doubt, but in the US its obviously on another level, so what is going on there is pretty much a domestic issue in the States. Why everyone in other cities worldwide feel the need to protest just seems a bit bizarre to me, and, call me cynical, reeks a bit of self-promotion.

The millennial / instagram generation.
 
Kenshin said:
But you prove my point yet again.

This is pretty much what you say. Hitler is gassing Jews , so here in the UK we are fighting for British Jewish rights for some reason even though we aren't gassing them.

And I'm not talking about doing nothing. How about as a nation we support Americans in their cause? It has nothing to do with our country and everything to do with America. So support THEM and not make it about us, much like the kopite thread is saying that about them, we are behaving like kopites by making an American issue about us.

But I don't see anyone here fighting against racism in other countries. Apparently China is rife with racism, no-one cares about them right now. Not a single mention of that.

So how about British people support the American cause without making it about them.
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While it may not be as severe here, it's ignorant to suggest that there isn't an issue within the UK; having solidarity and looking at our own issues can be mutual.

With regards to Jews, there was anti-Semitism in the UK in the 30's and 40', so again fighting for another cause and raising awareness for our own is/was right.

The way I see it is that you're saying we should have solidarity for Americans, but for then to not raise the issue that's here and deal with it. That's madness.

Racism or any form of discrimination is our issue because it's humanity's issue.
 
Hickson9 said:
I've seen a lot of black British commentary, saying it is about them and that they also live in a racist society.

Are you going to tell them they are incorrect?
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But last week it wasn't about them? It was about one man in America , then that anger grew for every man and woman in America affected over decades by this.

So British people including themselves in that is 100% just piggybacking so they don't seem racist.

Because no-one was talking about it until a black man was murdered by police in America.

Why wasn't it important enough a week ago?
PhilM said:
While it may not be as severe here, it's ignorant to suggest that there isn't an issue within the UK; having solidarity and looking at our own issues can be mutual.

With regards to Jews, there was anti-Semitism in the UK in the 30's and 40', so again fighting for another cause and raising awareness for our own is/was right.

The way I see it is that you're saying we should have solidarity for Americans, but for then to not raise the issue that's here and deal with it. That's madness.

Racism or any form of discrimination is our issue because it's humanity's issue.
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But why does that have to be now?

Why didn't anyone have a fight for black UK rights last week? Last month? Last year?

Is it only worth fighting for because another country is fighting for far more?

But why are white people raising this? The past 2 days all I have seen is white people talking about this country. I haven't seen a single person who would be affected by this saying anything, I have however seen them showing their support for America.

It's the pc society , can't convince me otherwise. Have to protest for black UK rights as well so people don't think we are racist. That's literally what this is.
 
Kenshin said:
But you prove my point yet again.

This is pretty much what you say. Hitler is gassing Jews , so here in the UK we are fighting for British Jewish rights for some reason even though we aren't gassing them.

And I'm not talking about doing nothing. How about as a nation we support Americans in their cause? It has nothing to do with our country and everything to do with America. So support THEM and not make it about us, much like the kopite thread is saying that about them, we are behaving like kopites by making an American issue about us.

But I don't see anyone here fighting against racism in other countries. Apparently China is rife with racism, no-one cares about them right now. Not a single mention of that.

So how about British people support the American cause without making it about them.
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It’s not an American cause though. It’s about equality for all people of colour.
The ‘well it’s not as bad as in the US’ isn’t a valid argument.
The fact is it exists. It’s something that people have to live with every day.
I don’t see why this can’t be a good time to address the issues in places other than the US. It doesn’t invalidate or diminish that cause. It strengthens it.
What you are saying is that, because we don’t see the scale of police brutality, in the U.K. then we shouldn’t do anything about it. That we should maintain the status quo.
this is an opportunity for people to educate themselves, to challenge themselves, to challenge the status quo, to consider the experience of all people of colour in this country and to do something about it.
 
Kenshin said:
But last week it wasn't about them? It was about one man in America , then that anger grew for every man and woman in America affected over decades by this.

So British people including themselves in that is 100% just piggybacking so they don't seem racist.

Because no-one was talking about it until a black man was murdered by police in America.

Why wasn't it important enough a week ago?

But why does that have to be now?

Why didn't anyone have a fight for black UK rights last week? Last month? Last year?

Is it only worth fighting for because another country is fighting for far more?

But why are white people raising this? The past 2 days all I have seen is white people talking about this country. I haven't seen a single person who would be affected by this saying anything, I have however seen them showing their support for America.

It's the pc society , can't convince me otherwise. Have to protest for black UK rights as well so people don't think we are racist. That's literally what this is.
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What about Grenfell Tower? The treatment of Diane Abbott? Of course there is systematic racism in the UK.
 
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