Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

[Hickson9]

I always find that funny when you supposedly can not have an opinion on anything because you're white.

Like saying women cant have an opinion on suicide because it affects men more.

That isn't what is being said here.

What is being said is that a white person who tells black people that they shouldn't be protesting about racism, is part of the problem.

You can have your opinion but your opinions also reflect who you are as a person.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

What about Grenfell Tower? The treatment of Diane Abbott? Of course there is systematic racism in the UK.

Tbf I would take everything that Diane Abbott says with a pinch of salt.

Would struggle to believe her if she told me today was Wednesday.

 

[mill]

I always find that funny when you supposedly can not have an opinion on anything because you're white.

Like saying women cant have an opinion on suicide because it affects men more.

It’s that you can’t have an opinion. It’s that in certain situations your opinion is less valid as you don’t fully appreciate the experience.
You can have an opinion of abortion for instance but ultimately your opinion will be less valid than that of a woman.

 

[Prevenger17]

Ahh mate.

Sort it.

Bet your a vegan aswel.

Say mate, you seem awful familiar. This your first account on the forum?

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Compared to America no we don't. We don't have police literally murdering people based on skin colour.

Racism exists everywhere , it will always exist while people still teach hate.

But right now it's about police brutality, in America. Not the UK, America. I ask again, why can't people in the UK support their cause without making it about them as well?

Because it's not black British people making it about racism in the UK btw........

I think it's much, much more than a reaction against police brutality towards black people in America. That was merely a trigger. This is about standing up against deep-seated, institutional racism and social injustice. Unfortunately that same deep-seated, institutional racism/social injustice applies here in the UK and other countries, therefore it's as relevant to these other countries, as it is to the US.

The killing of George Floyd lit the fuse worldwide

 

[ForeverBlue92]

It’s that you can’t have an opinion. It’s that in certain situations your opinion is less valid as you don’t fully appreciate the experience.
You can have an opinion of abortion for instance but ultimately your opinion will be less valid than that of a woman.

But ultimately racism will never end until the day comes when we stop cherry picking what we categorise things by race by.

I just find it hypocritical when people are saying "everyone is equal" then the next minute "if you're white then your opinion is less valid on this subject"

That to me is the definition of racism regardless of the context.

 

[Amw79]

It is amazing though how I simply started on here by disputing a comment. You think I'm trying to build an audience because you know so much about me. Deary me. So much projecting going on here.

It was actually my post you originally disputed, however you missed the point so badly I didn’t know where to start.

You seemed to think I was saying that those rioting were demonstrating peacefully, but you disputed something I hadn’t said by saying they were just opportunist thieves.

I actually said on my very next post that I didn’t condone the looting whatsoever, but my first post was that when black people have demonstrated peacefully (using the example of Kaepernick taking the knee) they were called out on that too, in fact by the president - called them ‘sons of b!tches’ if I remember correctly.

My point was that when peaceful demonstrations go continually unheard, it’s no surprise that anger and resentment will foster and eventually explode in a non-peaceful fashion.

 

[Charro]

Tbf I would take everything that Diane Abbott says with a pinch of salt.

Would struggle to believe her if she told me today was Wednesday.

Why? Because of what the press have written about her?

Well, that right there is part of the problem.

 

[Hickson9]

But ultimately racism will never end until the day comes when we stop cherry picking what we categorise things by race by.

I just find it hypocritical when people are saying "everyone is equal" then the next minute "if you're white then your opinion is less valid on this subject"

That to me is the definition of racism regardless of the context.

Hopefully we can all agree that people peacefully protesting in the UK against racial inequality are in the right and doing a good thing.

 

[DrEFC]

This fella will do anything for the US right wing. Hes not a nice guy. RIP to the retired policeman, Mr Dorn.

 

[coollino]

Tbf I would take everything that Diane Abbott says with a pinch of salt.

Would struggle to believe her if she told me today was Wednesday.

Why is that though?

She has been the MP in Hackney for 20+ years for a reason.

 

[Walken]

What about Grenfell Tower? The treatment of Diane Abbott? Of course there is systematic racism in the UK.

Everyone should always being looking inward when something like this is in the headlines, same as the metoo thing, look to your own actions, your own workplace etc. Could we be educating ourselves more?

But millenials or something

 

[mill]

But ultimately racism will never end until the day comes when we stop cherry picking what we categorise things by race by.

I just find it hypocritical when people are saying "everyone is equal" then the next minute "if you're white then your opinion is less valid on this subject"

That to me is the definition of racism regardless of the context.

Equality doesn’t necessarily mean that people should be treated EXACTLY the same. It’s about equality of opportunity.

in terms of validity of opinion, would you give equal weight to the opinion of a leading epidemiologist and that of someone with no training in the field on the subject of pandemics?

There are going to be things that you aren’t going to fully appreciate because you don’t have the experience.

My opinion on women’s rights just isn’t as valid as the opinion of my wife as I’m not a woman. I can be an ally, I can *have* an opinion, but my opinion isn’t as valid on the subject of women’s rights.

Just as my opinion of racism isn’t as valid as the opinion of people of colour.

 

[Kenshin]

British people of colour will not forget about this in a week or two.

White people will.

Because deep down it's not important to them. Just a current meme to follow.

The spark for this was racist police brutality in the US. However, the wider movement is about racial inequality, including in the UK.

Cutting through all of your bull, if you're a white British person telling black British people this isn't about them, then you are part of the problem here, in this country.

If you can't grasp this, put yourself in a black person's shoes and imagine a white person telling you that you are wrong to be protesting and should just go home.
And I asked if you were white (?) because the above premise, a white person telling black people they are wrong to be protesting about racism, is part of the problem here in the UK. Also, the vast majority of people on this forum (an Everton forum) will be white.

Amazing , you seem to be drawn to racial incidents and always have a opinion.

I can smell the white privilege from your posts.

I see it for what it is. A half arsed pretend to care from white people losing focus of what the actual issue is. A point that not a single white person gave a damn about this or bothered to talk about a week ago.

But keep assuming my skin colour and dismissing my opinion whilst telling me I'm white privilege.

The irony seems to be missed by you it seems.

If I told you I was black would you be so quick to dismiss my opinion? You clearly want to dismiss my opinion because you assume I'm white. And you say I'm white privilege lol

What gives you the right to assume someone's skin colour based on their opinion? If I am part of the problem then what does that make you? Dismissing an opinion because you think you are important enough to assume skin colour.

Funny how you have turned an actual discussion into what skin colour I am. Maybe you have a point about racism in the UK.

 

[Kenshin]

I think it's much, much more than a reaction against police brutality towards black people in America. That was merely a trigger. This is about standing up against deep-seated, institutional racism and social injustice. Unfortunately that same deep-seated, institutional racism/social injustice applies here in the UK and other countries, therefore it's as relevant to these other countries, as it is to the US.

The killing of George Floyd lit the fuse worldwide

Or it is completely about America having systematic racism that has gone on for decades that literally murders people based on skin colour from the people sworn to protect them.

Why is this so wrong to think this?!