Gana Gueye and Morgan Schneiderlin

[TheGhostOfBolasie]

Not good enough and you know it. Fellaini I'll cut a bit of slack for because he's more of a target player. The last few seasons under Moyes we were playing a combo of Neville Osman Gibson and Fellaini. Don't get me wrong, I liked all of these players but Schneids and Gana are in a different league, you must be able to see the improvement they bring over Barry and McCarthy or Cleverley?

The other three you've listed were years ago (Gravesen last game was 04/05!) thus proving my point. Moyes had a fine midfield with Cahill Arteta Pienaar Osman Carsley at their peaks, Gravesen before this, Fellaini/Gibson having moments after it. Martinez bought one central mindfield player of decent potential (Besic) in the three seasons he was here. The rest were not good enough and were the reason we slid down the table.


I predicted that the first thing Koeman would do when he arrived would be to upgrade the midfield from the slow one paced risk adverse one Martinez had cultured. Very good midfielders in their twilight like Pienaar Osman had been ushered out and lesser players brought in. Koeman immediately identifies two first team players for that area and plays an academy kid as Cleverley goes out the door. He knows you need pace power and passing speed and penetration to match the midfields of the top teams.

Yet you're still claiming we didn't need Schneiderlin. Who would we play instead? McCarthy who can't pass forward? Barry who can't run?

 

[orly]

Not good enough and you know it. Fellaini I'll cut a bit of slack for because he's more of a target player. The last few seasons under Moyes we were playing a combo of Neville Osman Gibson and Fellaini. Don't get me wrong, I liked all of these players but Schneids and Gana are in a different league, you must be able to see the improvement they bring over Barry and McCarthy or Cleverley?

The other three you've listed were years ago (Gravesen last game was 04/05!) thus proving my point. Moyes had a fine midfield with Cahill Arteta Pienaar Osman Carsley at their peaks, Gravesen before this, Fellaini/Gibson having moments after it. Martinez bought one central mindfield player of decent potential (Besic) in the three seasons he was here. The rest were not good enough and were the reason we slid down the table.


I predicted that the first thing Koeman would do when he arrived would be to upgrade the midfield from the slow one paced risk adverse one Martinez had cultured. Very good midfielders in their twilight like Pienaar Osman had been ushered out and lesser players brought in. Koeman immediately identifies two first team players for that area and plays an academy kid as Cleverley goes out the door. He knows you need pace power and passing speed and penetration to match the midfields of the top teams.

Yet you're still claiming we didn't need Schneiderlin. Who would we play instead? McCarthy who can't pass forward? Barry who can't run?

The bit about Pienaar in here is absolutely sound

Totally wasted by the previous manager

 

[Saint Domingo]

The bit about Pienaar in here is absolutely sound

Totally wasted by the previous manager

Don't get me started on ehat the fraud did to some of the old guard. Osman Pienaar and Naismith earned him so many points during his first season. Second and third season though they were ostracised for luminaries like Kone Cleverley Etoo Atsu Niasse Mcgeady as the football degenerated into a turgid pile of..... anyway, makes my blood boil, if managed correctly they could have played 2 extra seasons under us but Martinez's ego wouldn't let him admit he'd made a mistake axing them.

 

[Prevenger17]

Not good enough and you know it. Fellaini I'll cut a bit of slack for because he's more of a target player. The last few seasons under Moyes we were playing a combo of Neville Osman Gibson and Fellaini. Don't get me wrong, I liked all of these players but Schneids and Gana are in a different league, you must be able to see the improvement they bring over Barry and McCarthy or Cleverley?

The other three you've listed were years ago (Gravesen last game was 04/05!) thus proving my point. Moyes had a fine midfield with Cahill Arteta Pienaar Osman Carsley at their peaks, Gravesen before this, Fellaini/Gibson having moments after it. Martinez bought one central mindfield player of decent potential (Besic) in the three seasons he was here. The rest were not good enough and were the reason we slid down the table.


I predicted that the first thing Koeman would do when he arrived would be to upgrade the midfield from the slow one paced risk adverse one Martinez had cultured. Very good midfielders in their twilight like Pienaar Osman had been ushered out and lesser players brought in. Koeman immediately identifies two first team players for that area and plays an academy kid as Cleverley goes out the door. He knows you need pace power and passing speed and penetration to match the midfields of the top teams.

Yet you're still claiming we didn't need Schneiderlin. Who would we play instead? McCarthy who can't pass forward? Barry who can't run?

Think you're being incredibly harsh on Barry and McCarthy there, they certainly proved themselves to be excellent midfielders in their first season with us. Barry got a little leggy last season, but he's been one of the Premiership's most consistent and classy operators for years. McCarthy was amazing in his first season, and I feel he's just been disrupted by injuries more than anything else. They were anything but slow-paced in their first season with us, we seem to have short memories in that regard

 

[MikeH72]

Don't get me started on ehat the fraud did to some of the old guard. Osman Pienaar and Naismith earned him so many points during his first season. Second and third season though they were ostracised for luminaries like Kone Cleverley Etoo Atsu Niasse Mcgeady as the football degenerated into a turgid pile of..... anyway, makes my blood boil, if managed correctly they could have played 2 extra seasons under us but Martinez's ego wouldn't let him admit he'd made a mistake axing them.

Can't agree with those two really, they still played far more than they should have done those past two seasons.

 

[davek]

Not good enough and you know it. Fellaini I'll cut a bit of slack for because he's more of a target player. The last few seasons under Moyes we were playing a combo of Neville Osman Gibson and Fellaini. Don't get me wrong, I liked all of these players but Schneids and Gana are in a different league, you must be able to see the improvement they bring over Barry and McCarthy or Cleverley? The other three you've listed were years ago (Gravesen last game was 04/05!) thus proving my point. Moyes had a fine midfield with Cahill Arteta Pienaar Osman Carsley at their peaks, Gravesen before this, Fellaini/Gibson having moments after it. Martinez bought one central mindfield player of decent potential (Besic) in the three seasons he was here. The rest were not good enough and were the reason we slid down the table.


I predicted that the first thing Koeman would do when he arrived would be to upgrade the midfield from the slow one paced risk adverse one Martinez had cultured. Very good midfielders in their twilight like Pienaar Osman had been ushered out and lesser players brought in. Koeman immediately identifies two first team players for that area and plays an academy kid as Cleverley goes out the door. He knows you need pace power and passing speed and penetration to match the midfields of the top teams.

Yet you're still claiming we didn't need Schneiderlin. Who would we play instead? McCarthy who can't pass forward? Barry who can't run?

 

[MikeH72]

These 2 reaffirm my wholehearted and vehement belief that Tom Cleverley is not a footballer

Hopefully he can command a transfer fee for the first time in his career at 28 years of age and we can volley the little dweeb once and for all.

 

[Prevenger17]

dweeb

Dweeb is a great word.

 

[orly]

Dweeb is a great word.

A word very much reserved for the Dangers last Autumn as you will recall

Particularly 'Rude Don and The Dweebs'

If you want to be in my gang Dweebs, you'd better put that pirate suit on! Be seeing you!



Anyway, Gueye, Schneiderlin, very sound

 

[Prevenger17]

Anyway, Gueye, Schneiderlin, very sound

Yes, yes. If we can get that sort of quality and depth in every position, we're laughing.





Just need to offload Rom first.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Think you're being incredibly harsh on Barry and McCarthy there, they certainly proved themselves to be excellent midfielders in their first season with us. Barry got a little leggy last season, but he's been one of the Premiership's most consistent and classy operators for years. McCarthy was amazing in his first season, and I feel he's just been disrupted by injuries more than anything else. They were anything but slow-paced in their first season with us, we seem to have short memories in that regard

They were ok for one season (we still came fifth, the same heights that Neville and Osman had no problem attaining with us), I'd give Martinez his dues in that he had a good system going which suited their games. They were exposed in the next few seasons though. They're ok players no doubt but imagine that second half against Sunderland when they got a bit of a head of steam up and Gueye Schneiderlin and Davies put fires out everywhere so Joel barely made s save. Imagine that same scenario with Barry and McCarthy. You don't need to because you've witnessed it multiple times, games we were in control of suddenly drawn or lost because we just lost any aspect of control for whole periods.

They're not good enough any more to challenge top 4, Schneiderlin and Gueye hopefully are.

 

[dandydan]

A needle in a pile of needles is the analogy I think you were looking for

A needle in a bootle gutter.

 

[andym78]

It was good to see Gueye finally score. How many times have we seen him get into that position and send it into orbit?

If he can improve his shooting and add a few goals he'll be pretty much a complete midfielder.

 

[AdaBrummieblue]

Well, I quite like 'em both! Settled then.

 

[ianefc]

As you directly talked abpout his record during LVG's first season mate then i highly doubt that was the managers set up, Depay wasn't even there that season, the season he actually was at United mate, he played once on the right wing btw and 37 times on the left wing - yet apparently he was part of L:VG setup playingon the right side - really, are you just trying to say stuff now and hope something sounds ok?

But i am impressed how he linked up with Di Maria when the two of them where never at the club at the same time - very very impressive

Also Schweinsteiger wasn't there in the first season LVG was in charge either mate - so another bit of a mistake in how they set up from you - even the season he was there though he played 18 out of 38 league games.

So which season are you actually trying to talk about Dave? the first season which you where quoting earlier and which we where talking about (that you apparently think Depay, Darmian and Schweinsteiger where playing for United) or the second season (when apparently you didn't realise that DiMaria had been sold and didnt play for them any longer)?

Fancy sticking Pogba into the LVG setup as well mate? or maybe you can stick Gundogan into it?

Go easy on him mate. That's an absolute ripping that.