Gana Gueye and Morgan Schneiderlin

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

we have midfielders falling out of cupboards at this club

Do we?

I mean, if they're all fit maybe, but they never are all fit at the same time, so the point is kind of moot

Plus, Barry is ageing and can't have much more left in the tank

 

[davek]

How was it wateful if he's now in the first team? He is a class above every deep lying midfielder we have except Gueye. He has the passing range of Barry with the aggression of McCarthy but he's probably better at both individual attributes. Barry coming on and losing the Derby for us negates any argument you make that Schneiderlin was not needed. We have been crying out for a decent central midfield for years.

Read that back to yourself. If you aren't embarrassed by it you should be.

Barry
McCarthy
Fellaini
Arteta
Carsley
Gravesen

...no, we've been starved of them.

 

[davek]

A decent player?

LOL

Hes utterly peerless.

Look mate, you fall in love with any midfielder who doesn't fall over and knock themselves out.

 

[Goat]

Look mate, you fall in love with any midfielder who doesn't fall over and knock themselves out.

I just remember the player from 2 years ago David, he was utterly immense and it looks like hes gonna be that player for us.

 

[paulf]

2 fantastic signings from Koeman..and what a snip they are proving to be (Just 29m for the 2!) light years ahead from what we have had in recent times..can only get better with more playing time..Koeman playing the youth in Davies as well along with him bringing the best out of Ross.. all looking optimistic to say the very least..

 

[bluestevon]

Nope. Here's what i wrote - "He played 29 times for Van Gaal in the PL in his first season there". Schnedierlin, not Van Gaal.

Oh dear. Wrong again. That makes a change, eh?

Yet you include Di Maria in your line up and Depay on the right wing of the way LVG set up typically, one wasnt there by then and the other never played that position mate?

Wrong again, dunno mate, it's hard to keep track of exactly what your talking about or what your point is when you start going off on one

How was Uniteds defense last season btw with Schneiderlin playing the role he is not suited to according to you?

oh and repeated

What disciplinary record is that Dave - the one which shows that in the past 6 seasons he has recieved a mammoth total of one red card (for 2 yellows), or the one which has seen him never recieve 10 bookings across all competitions over the last 6 seasons?

133 games in the premier league, 1 red card, 26 yellow cards.

111 games, 1 red card, 21 yellows (for Matic)
111 games, 2 red cards, 34 yellow cards, (Wanyama)
120 games for us, 2 red cards, 36 yellow cards (Barry)

So please explain if you can, how does he have a bad diciplinary record which proves your point, or are you just making stuff up in the hope people don't actually bother checking what your saying?

102 games, 19 yellow cards, 1 red card (McCarthy for us) btw

 

[vintage-toffees]

Ain't going to to get excited yet

But Christ it's exciting ain't it !!

 

[davek]

Actually the general criticsm of LVG was that he played two players under strict instructions to sit deep,with when you have a player who can cover ground the way Schneiderrlin can is an utter waste - hence why you see Gueye, McCarthy, Davies not limited to sitting when he plays mate, that was the overiding criticsm from both the media and the fans about LVG's system

Effectively he is a perfect defensive midfielder as you don't need two to do one persons job when he plays

At last, some acknowledgment that Schneiderlin was used that way.

the flak you got thrown at you is for just throwing 'FACTS' out there that are wrong mate,like talking about the 14/15 season and using 15/16 seasons stats as proof, likew linking a formation to show the system and p[layers LVG employed during that seaosn,and having some players in positions they never played - such as Depay on the right wing, and having player sincluded in the team who where never at the club at the same time.

Your fundamental view btw was pointing out his indicsipline to illustrate a point, a point that was easily laughed away as soon as you checked the lads career compared to other defensive midfielders in terms of picking up cards - which would you agree is the ultimate jjudge of a players discipline?

The mix up over seasons was down to YOU not ME. You assumed I meant Van Gaal's first season and not Schneiderlin's.

Ok. maybe the word indisciplined evokes cards etc. But what I mean to point out is that he is injudicious with tackles (sliding in and going to ground...ok further up the pitch, but possibly costly for a cm operating outside their own box) and the stats from 2015/16 at least underline that lack of clean tackle making

 

[upthetoffees]

4-3-2-1 with Gana and Schneiderlin along with Barry or McCarthy is very exciting. Love how we looked with that.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Just because you use a player in a certain role and he can do it doesn't mean it's his natural position

Chris Sutton was used in defence sometimes for instance, but I don't think anyone would claim he was actually a defender. He was an attacker being used in defence

 

[davek]

Do we?

I mean, if they're all fit maybe, but they never are all fit at the same time, so the point is kind of moot

Plus, Barry is ageing and can't have much more left in the tank

Barry
McCarthy
Davies
Besic
Gueye

'kin ell. How many more in your estimation does it take to have a surplus of cm's?

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Barry
McCarthy
Davies
Besic
Gueye

'kin ell. How many more in your estimation does it take to have a surplus of cm's?

Of those highlighted Two of them are usually injured and one is in the final days of an Indian summer

So basically we have two central defenders, going to three with Morgan coming in, hardly a surplus

Contrast that to Chelsea, where Loftus-Cheek can't even get a game and Fabregas doesn't even start every week

 

[Saint Domingo]

Read that back to yourself. If you aren't embarrassed by it you should be.

Barry
McCarthy
Fellaini
Arteta
Carsley
Gravesen

...no, we've been starved of them.

Not good enough and you know it. Fellaini I'll cut a bit of slack for because he's more of a target player. The last few seasons under Moyes we were playing a combo of Neville Osman Gibson and Fellaini. Don't get me wrong, I liked all of these players but Schneids and Gana are in a different league, you must be able to see the improvement they bring over Barry and McCarthy or Cleverley?

The other three you've listed were years ago (Gravesen last game was 04/05!) thus proving my point. Moyes had a fine midfield with Cahill Arteta Pienaar Osman Carsley at their peaks, Gravesen before this, Fellaini/Gibson having moments after it. Martinez bought one central mindfield player of decent potential (Besic) in the three seasons he was here. The rest were not good enough and were the reason we slid down the table.


I predicted that the first thing Koeman would do when he arrived would be to upgrade the midfield from the slow one paced risk adverse one Martinez had cultured. Very good midfielders in their twilight like Pienaar Osman had been ushered out and lesser players brought in. Koeman immediately identifies two first team players for that area and plays an academy kid as Cleverley goes out the door. He knows you need pace power and passing speed and penetration to match the midfields of the top teams.

Yet you're still claiming we didn't need Schneiderlin. Who would we play instead? McCarthy who can't pass forward? Barry who can't run?

 

[Philw]

http://www.express.co.uk/pictures/s...uls-sportgalleries/Morgan-Schneiderlin-136529
Enjoy.

=10. Victor Wanyama: Southampton's midfield enforcer has 50 fouls and the most red cards in the league this season with three
=10. Dele Alli: Rounding off the 50 fouls club is PFA Young Player of the Year Alli
=8: Eric Dier: Alli's club and county teammate Dier has 52 fouls

 

[ToffeeTim]

These 2 reaffirm my wholehearted and vehement belief that Tom Cleverley is not a footballer