Gana Gueye and Morgan Schneiderlin

[Bungle]

I think dave meant Magaye Gueye, so who looks foolish now?

 

[Efcjake]

It's completely sound analysis. If you think he's a player that is suited to a defensive midfield role then that is your lookout. Look at his game. Look where he is on the pitch and look at what he contributes. He intercepts and tackles well up the pitch. I'd say those defensive duties are carried out typically in the centre circle. If opponents can escape Schneiderlin at that point and get forward in numbers we are in trouble with Gueye to beat and then they're bearing down on our back four.

I accept that's a midfield gamble that Koeman makes. My point is that we WILL be caught out by it when playing teams with managers and players capable of exploiting that. Against such teams I'd go with Gueye and McCarthy.

I disagree mate, out of the 3 of him, Gueye and Davies he was definitely the furthest back and has been every time I've seen him. I didn't want another player who sat that deep but he gets the ball moving forward from back deep.

Yes, he does push up with the team when we're in possession and stepped into win the ball back after we lost it up the pitch a few times but he tends to sit just in front of the back four as he should.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

As you directly talked abpout his record during LVG's first season mate then i highly doubt that was the managers set up, Depay wasn't even there that season, the season he actually was at United mate, he played once on the right wing btw and 37 times on the left wing - yet apparently he was part of L:VG setup playingon the right side - really, are you just trying to say stuff now and hope something sounds ok?

But i am impressed how he linked up with Di Maria when the two of them where never at the club at the same time - very very impressive

Also Schweinsteiger wasn't there in the first season LVG was in charge either mate - so another bit of a mistake in how they set up from you - even the season he was there though he played 18 out of 38 league games.

So which season are you actually trying to talk about Dave? the first season which you where quoting earlier and which we where talking about (that you apparently think Depay, Darmian and Schweinsteiger where playing for United) or the second season (when apparently you didn't realise that DiMaria had been sold and didnt play for them any longer)?

Fancy sticking Pogba into the LVG setup as well mate? or maybe you can stick Gundogan into it?

Ouch

 

[robbo30efc]

RIP @davek more than happy to add a nail in your coffin

 

[davek]

can you provide a link to the article or site you got those figures from Dave - and remember it is the 14/15 season - Schneiderlins first one at Man United we are talking about here.

Not doubting you, just that i have seen a very very different list of players - and one schneiderlin isnt where you suggest

Your list is seming very very strange indeed though, Capoue was one of the 7 highest players in commiting fouls in the 14/15 season - despite only playing 12 league games

And you have included in the top 7 Gueye - who was playing in France for the entire season

so Dave are you lying, getting confused, or just throwing anything out you can do and hope no one calls you on all your 'mistakes'?

http://www.express.co.uk/pictures/s...uls-sportgalleries/Morgan-Schneiderlin-136529
Enjoy.

 

[bluestevon]

http://www.express.co.uk/pictures/s...uls-sportgalleries/Morgan-Schneiderlin-136529
Enjoy.

Cheers Dave, but you do realise that is season 15/16 and you where talking about LVG's first season in charge which is the 14/15 season.

 

[MikeH72]

Tom Cleverley doesn't pick up many yellows, I think we need to bring him back

 

[davek]

That view about what you observed really doesn't match what you said about having seem of him before we signed him though, does it Dave

Now an expert on every United fan message board and the opinion they have on every United players position i see, good to know mate, look up their thread on Di Maria for the 15/16 season when your there, and Gundogan for this one, both should be informative for you.

You agree with pundits, really, if i could be bothered i'd go back and vault you on your numerous slating of anyone using a pundit to support their arguments.

Was this Schweinsteiger for the 14/15 season he was paired the most with mate, the same Schweinsteiger who wasn't even at Man United that season, or we changing things around again to fit your argument?


Love your totally invented bit at the end though mate, sticking by your Depay played right wing for United post btw?

Don't even get annoyed by your posts anymore mate, that time has long lone gone, just feel sad for the state of them

You started out disputing my opinion of Scheniderlin not being suited to the holding cm role then you - bizarrely - disputed that was his lot at United where he himself states it didn't work for him there, and everyone in football has expressed the view that he was played out of position at United and needed the role he had at S'ton.

Now where are we? You throwing a load of flak about trying to distract from that fundamental error you made in disputing my view of Schneidelrin not being a DM.

Round the houses for that.

 

[everton2004]

RIP @davek more than happy to add a nail in your coffin

Christ, how many nails does this coffin take?

 

[davek]

Dave, Morgan has been really good, like REALLY good

Yeah, it's early days I understand that, but goodness me he's been good for the short spell he's been here!

Koeman bought him so like any other Koeman signing if he has a bad game he gets slated by Dave as average, waste of money (Williams, Bolasie), if he's playing really well, he claims we didn't need him anyway, waste of money, nothing remarkable.

Frankly the ease in which Schneiderlin, Gueye, Williams, and even Lookman have all adapted to the first team has been incredible. It really has been good recruitment from Koeman and Walsh.

I've stated on numerous occasions that Schneiderlin is a very decent player, but that we have midfielders falling out of cupboards at this club and his purchase was wasteful when we needed to sign another striker first.

...but dont let the truth spoil a good rant eh?

 

[robbo30efc]

http://www.express.co.uk/pictures/s...uls-sportgalleries/Morgan-Schneiderlin-136529
Enjoy.

dave i refer you to a link for the 2014/2015 season...the season you were debating about, where morgan is not featured.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/fouls

 

[Saint Domingo]

I've stated on numerous occasions that Schneiderlin is a very decent player, but that we have midfielders falling out of cupboards at this club and his purchase was wasteful when we needed to sign another striker first.

...but dont let the truth spoil a good rant eh?

How was it wateful if he's now in the first team? He is a class above every deep lying midfielder we have except Gueye. He has the passing range of Barry with the aggression of McCarthy but he's probably better at both individual attributes. Barry coming on and losing the Derby for us negates any argument you make that Schneiderlin was not needed. We have been crying out for a decent central midfield for years.

 

[davek]

Cheers Dave, but you do realise that is season 15/16 and you where talking about LVG's first season in charge which is the 14/15 season.

Nope. Here's what i wrote - "He played 29 times for Van Gaal in the PL in his first season there". Schnedierlin, not Van Gaal.

Oh dear. Wrong again. That makes a change, eh?

 

[Goat]

I've stated on numerous occasions that Schneiderlin is a very decent player, but that we have midfielders falling out of cupboards at this club and his purchase was wasteful when we needed to sign another striker first.

...but dont let the truth spoil a good rant eh?

A decent player?

LOL

Hes utterly peerless.

 

[bluestevon]

You started out disputing my opinion of Scheniderlin not being suited to the holding cm role then you - bizarrely - disputed that was his lot at United where he himself states it didn't work for him there, and everyone in football has expressed the view that he was played out of position at United and needed the role he had at S'ton.

Now where are we? You throwing a load of flak about trying to distract from that fundamental error you made in disputing my view of Schneidelrin not being a DM.

Round the houses for that.

Actually the general criticsm of LVG was that he played two players under strict instructions to sit deep,with when you have a player who can cover ground the way Schneiderrlin can is an utter waste - hence why you see Gueye, McCarthy, Davies not limited to sitting when he plays mate, that was the overiding criticsm from both the media and the fans about LVG's system

Effectively he is a perfect defensive midfielder as you don't need two to do one persons job when he plays

the flak you got thrown at you is for just throwing 'FACTS' out there that are wrong mate,like talking about the 14/15 season and using 15/16 seasons stats as proof, likew linking a formation to show the system and p[layers LVG employed during that seaosn,and having some players in positions they never played - such as Depay on the right wing, and having player sincluded in the team who where never at the club at the same time.

Your fundamental view btw was pointing out his indicsipline to illustrate a point, a point that was easily laughed away as soon as you checked the lads career compared to other defensive midfielders in terms of picking up cards - which would you agree is the ultimate jjudge of a players discipline?