Gana Gueye and Morgan Schneiderlin

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Good pairing, ones a little tiger (Gueye) and always in people faces, the other one seems to stand up more and control the game a bit more, getting stuck in when he needs to, (Morgs has a touch of snide too, which we need) they compliment each other so far, and can only grow surely.
Can't help but mention the kid Davies as well, proper all round midfielder.
 
It'd be a mistake to think of Schneiderlin as a defensive midfielder. Positionally I dont get that description. He's not a reliable screen for a back four because he goes to ground way too much and could put us in trouble payed that far back - and his disciplinary record underlines it. He's got the aggression of a CM but with a box to box game and the passing ability of someone who plays further up the pitch. I think that's why he couldn't nail down a place at United. Mourinho realised he was not a specialist: he had Carrick to screen the back four and control the tempo of the game further back and Pogba does the attacking and passing from midfield - Schneiderlin fell between two stools.

We have two out and out defensive midfielders at the club in Gueye and McCarthy, and thats why the latter has to be retained with Barry nearing retirement.

Schneiderlin has done well so far. It'll be interesting to see how he performs against top class opposition next week though. To date he's faced trash apart from a 20 minute run out against City when the game was over.
 
davek said:
It'd be a mistake to think of Schneiderlin as a defensive midfielder. Positionally I dont get that description. He's not a reliable screen for a back four because he goes to ground way too much and could put us in trouble payed that far back - and his disciplinary record underlines it. He's got the aggression of a CM but with a box to box game and the passing ability of someone who plays further up the pitch. I think that's why he couldn't nail down a place at United. Mourinho realised he was not a specialist: he had Carrick to screen the back four and control the tempo of the game further back and Pogba does the attacking and passing from midfield - Schneiderlin fell between two stools.

We have two out and out defensive midfielders at the club in Gueye and McCarthy, and thats why the latter has to be retained with Barry nearing retirement.

Schneiderlin has done well so far. It'll be interesting to see how he performs against top class opposition next week though. To date he's faced trash apart from a 20 minute run out against City when the game was over.
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Give it up Dave. File it in your wrong list and let's move on.
 
ianefc said:
Give it up Dave. File it in your wrong list and let's move on.
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It's completely sound analysis. If you think he's a player that is suited to a defensive midfield role then that is your lookout. Look at his game. Look where he is on the pitch and look at what he contributes. He intercepts and tackles well up the pitch. I'd say those defensive duties are carried out typically in the centre circle. If opponents can escape Schneiderlin at that point and get forward in numbers we are in trouble with Gueye to beat and then they're bearing down on our back four.

I accept that's a midfield gamble that Koeman makes. My point is that we WILL be caught out by it when playing teams with managers and players capable of exploiting that. Against such teams I'd go with Gueye and McCarthy.
 
they'll be leading us to the champions league next season if we can get in a top centre back behind them and a top quality attacker. Couple of squad fillers around as well, but that'd be a very strong starting XI, and powerful.

Think the game v spurs could be very end to end and past paced given how powerful both teams' central mids are.
 
davek said:
It'd be a mistake to think of Schneiderlin as a defensive midfielder. Positionally I dont get that description. He's not a reliable screen for a back four because he goes to ground way too much and could put us in trouble payed that far back - and his disciplinary record underlines it. He's got the aggression of a CM but with a box to box game and the passing ability of someone who plays further up the pitch. I think that's why he couldn't nail down a place at United. Mourinho realised he was not a specialist: he had Carrick to screen the back four and control the tempo of the game further back and Pogba does the attacking and passing from midfield - Schneiderlin fell between two stools.

We have two out and out defensive midfielders at the club in Gueye and McCarthy, and thats why the latter has to be retained with Barry nearing retirement.

Schneiderlin has done well so far. It'll be interesting to see how he performs against top class opposition next week though. To date he's faced trash apart from a 20 minute run out against City when the game was over.
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What disciplinary record is that Dave - the one which shows that in the past 6 seasons he has recieved a mammoth total of one red card (for 2 yellows), or the one which has seen him never recieve 10 bookings across all competitions over the last 6 seasons?

133 games in the premier league, 1 red card, 26 yellow cards.

111 games, 1 red card, 21 yellows (for Matic)
111 games, 2 red cards, 34 yellow cards, (Wanyama)
120 games for us, 2 red cards, 36 yellow cards (Barry)

So please explain if you can, how does he have a bad diciplinary record which proves your point, or are you just making stuff up in the hope people don't actually bother checking what your saying?

102 games, 19 yellow cards, 1 red card (McCarthy for us) btw
 
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they'll be leading us to the champions league next season if we can get in a top centre back behind them and a top quality attacker. Couple of squad fillers around as well, but that'd be a very strong starting XI, and powerful.

Think the game v spurs could be very end to end and past paced given how powerful both teams' central mids are.
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or they could genuinely cancel each other out and turn it into a relatively dour game mate
 
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