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[peteblue]

see also pete blaming the Irish

For what...

 

[tsubaki]

For what...

loads of things, I seem to recall

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Not at all. Everyone on here was behaving as though his business has already failed. It hasn't. He fears that it may fail if he loses too much custom due to trade barriers/red tape. But it might not and nowhere is he stating that it definitely will. So I'm not saying I know his business better than he does.

I was just pointing out, for the benefit of those on here who are all assuming his business is already doomed, that it may or may not be. I gave plausible reasons why it may not fail and I'm 100% sure that the business owner is already fully aware of these possibilities.

The narrative that the UK obtaining future trade deals with other countries around the world being abject nonsense is` an opinion, one that I don't agree with.

It was literally him who was suggesting it was doomed and he explained exactly why. Yet here’s you...

Trade deals with who? We’ve taken 4 years trying to replicate our existing terms with nations around the globe. Australia are embarking on a FTA with the EU. Biden’s US won’t be falling over themselves to do a deal with the U.K., so which worldwide powerhouses are you referring to? India? Who have already want an element of free movement? It’s delusional piffle to suggest we’re going to end up with these fantastic new opportunities ahead of the largest trade bloc on the planet that’s literally next door. It’s Unicorns like this that have landed us in this shitshow.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I'm from Ireland, I didn't vote and only care vicariously through my English friends and relatives who this affects. I don't assume the worst will happen, just that telling people to wait and see while watching your car crash government make utter clowns of themselves at every turn is not going to fill reasonable people with much hope. It's all a bit jarring for some, particularly after the chest-thumping certainty of the leave campaign. Just because the almost supernaturally vague utterances and reassurances of Boris Johnson can soothe you doesn't mean that everyone else has to skip happily along the path.

Now is precisely the right time to be talking about this Eel man and the many small businesses around the UK that are currently crapping their keks. "Wait and see" might not be a viable strategy for them right now, they need answers soon, they need ideas soon, they need action from their government soon. This ideally would have been sorted prior to barrelling out of the tangibly better deal you already had but give your head a wobble if you're getting upset at people bringing this stuff up

I know you are from Ireland, and by association that you didn't vote on Brexit. But you have consistently, in this thread, taken the same stance as many remain voters in that you are extremely negative in your views on the prospects of Brexit, and that is what I meant in my post.

As regards the government I voted Brexit but I didn't vote for this government. I'm embarrassed by a lot of the rhetoric coming out at the moment and they've also made a mess of the Immigration Bill in my opinion. So yes, I do wonder at their ability to make the most of the opportunities that Brexit offers and have voiced this opinion quite a few times within this thread.

I also broadly agree with your comments on small businesses. More should have been done to assist them with planning for Brexit, but in mitigation the Government has had it's hands full with covid this year. I did make a post some time ago saying that the deadline for an FTA should have been put back by 6 or 12 months due to covid, to give both sides more time to prepare, as this will effect a lot of small firms within euroland too. That post got shot down, by Remainers.

 

[Prevenger17]

For what...

Erm...

I’ve said it before and I’ve seen and heard nothing to change my view, Varadkar has single handedly ruined any chance of a deal with his political manoeuvrings and demands. All the while stating, and often repeated on here by his supporters, that he has 26 countries backing him up. Well very shortly he is going to find out what the big boys league is all about...

Excellent. The U.K. has no intention of undermining the GFA, only the EU and Varadkar want to do that....

I think it’s just Varadkar playing politics and trying to look ‘strong’ while running down the economy for whoever takes over next.....

Varadkar closes all pubs and clubs from midnight tonight, he really is a waste of space......

If Boris caves in on fishing, he’s finished, it’s more political than economic. So I cannot believe he will do so. I do blame Varadkar for some of this because he forgot the economics and ties between our two countries while playing the big man with the EU behind him.

 

[Prevenger17]

But you have consistently, in this thread, taken the same stance as many remain voters in that you are extremely negative in your views on the prospects of Brexit

Yes I've been negative, because there is absolutely no 'kin idea of how this is supposed to work as far as I can see. "Wait and See". Wait for what? What are you working on? How are you helping the Eel Man? How are you going to navigate all the new layers of red tape and checks? How are you going to be competitive?

If this eventually works out, it will most likely be because of people who ask these questions, look for actual detail and hold their government's feet to the fire, not the lads who sit back and say "sure we'll see how it goes". I admire your unwavering positivity, but right now it looks like the UK needs more than a few lads crossing their fingers and toes

 

[peteblue]

Erm...

And I still blame Varadkar for doing so. He very nearly undermined a deal and it was only with Boris threatening the Internal Market Bill that the Eu understood that we were heading for a no deal. A no deal would have been painful for the U.K. but we would have got by, it would have killed the ROI.....

 

[Prevenger17]

And I still blame Varadkar for doing so. He very nearly undermined a deal and it was only with Boris threatening the Internal Market Bill that the Eu understood that we were heading for a no deal.

Lol I do love your take on things Pete. Boris is such a dreamboat, isn't he? Is there anything he can't do?!

 

[peteblue]

loads of things, I seem to recall

You recall nothing, because I didn’t blame the Irish for anything. I blamed one man, Varadkar....

 

[peteblue]

Lol I do love your take on things Pete. Boris is such a dreamboat, isn't he? Is there anything he can't do?!

Keep his trousers on ?...

 

[roydo]

I havnt been paying much attention to the "get prepared" radio ads, cos I aint going anywhere, nor run a business.

But a new one, (might be old as come to think of it), talks about getting prepared if any of your business is with or goes through NI. So that will be that new border thing I assume. (I guess thats controlling your own borders; lob them anywhere).

But can I still freely travel to Belfast without doing anything? Like if I went to Wales or Scotland?

 

[tsubaki]

You recall nothing, because I didn’t blame the Irish for anything. I blamed one man, Varadkar....

“So it was mother nature not the British that caused the blight. Ireland was run mostly by Irish, badly as it happens. So it's our fault for not sending food, yet we took in millions of Irish into England. If Ireland had been independent, the blight would still have happened and far more people would have died.......”

 

[Prevenger17]

“So it was mother nature not the British that caused the blight. Ireland was run mostly by Irish, badly as it happens. So it's our fault for not sending food, yet we took in millions of Irish into England. If Ireland had been independent, the blight would still have happened and far more people would have died.......”

Lol. Up there with the "nuke Tehran" call for hot takes

 

[peteblue]

“So it was mother nature not the British that caused the blight. Ireland was run mostly by Irish, badly as it happens. So it's our fault for not sending food, yet we took in millions of Irish into England. If Ireland had been independent, the blight would still have happened and far more people would have died.......”

Don’t try and be clever, you are not up to it. I raised an issue about the continued use of calling Leavers racist, which you then threw in the Irish, then you had nothing to back it up, so now you dig a different hole by mentioning the potato famine, an issue that forced my own family from Ireland to England. So please go and play your stupid games elsewhere....

 

[tsubaki]

Don’t try and be clever, you are not up to it. I raised an issue about the continued use of calling Levers racist, which you then threw in the Irish, then you had nothing to back it up, so now you dig a different hole by mentioning the potato famine, an issue that forced my own family from Ireland to England. So please go and play your stupid games elsewhere....

the Irish are a race, pete- if you don’t want to be called a racist, don’t come out with racist things