Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Rumour has it that Ireland is going into the red zone on Monday
Bars ,restaurants ,gyms cinemas etc all being forced to close
Army deployed to stop panic buying and hoarding
Certain non essential shops closing etc
Obviously we Irish are a dirty lot and don't wash our hands enough
 
But doesn’t that acquired herd immunity assume that the virus stays the same, ie no mutations, and also assume that you are immune after contracting it?

From what I recall the SARS and MERS didn’t mutate much and you were immune and this virus is of the same family. However we have very limited data on it since it is so new so those seem rather large leaps to be making at this time.

Indeed, but we could all hibernate then come out and catch it anyway. The Scientists and Medics believe this may be an annual type virus in which case we both need vaccines and an ability for our bodies to get used to it and fight it. Everyone staying at home just reduces the money available to defeat it while still being susceptible. I’m no medic, but what they are proposing at least seems logical in my mind.....
 
I think most businesses feel we will ride this out....

Not so sure about that Pete. About 50% of our work has to be done on customer sites, I was due on one next week, but they won't let me through the gates, so that's a fair chunk of money which isn't coming our way this month. No big deal for us, there's only six of us and we're mostly winding down for phased retirements anyway, so the money isn't really that important, but any relatively new business which involves freelancing is going to be hit hard.
 
SARs and MERs weren't easy to transmit as COVID19 is.

However COVID19 is the least threatening of the 3 Coronavirus strains.

Of course, partly due to the fact the person once infected didn't live long enough to spread it.

Mine is just an observation that some might have thought this would always be the way. We were warned about SARs and MERs and they never arrived and that could have instilled complacency with planning how to deal with this kind of event.
 
I tend not to read or listen to Farage tbh. They have actually put forward a raft of measures for small businesses including a £3000 grant for the smallest. I think most businesses feel we will ride this out....
Pete if your pub was forced to close how long would it be able to stay afloat financially
Could you ride it out for 3 months.
I know a few that couldn't
 
Rumour has it that Ireland is going into the red zone on Monday
Bars ,restaurants ,gyms cinemas etc all being forced to close
Army deployed to stop panic buying and hoarding
Certain non essential shops closing etc
Obviously we Irish are a dirty lot and don't wash our hands enough

I think it’s just Varadkar playing politics and trying to look ‘strong’ while running down the economy for whoever takes over next.....
 
See my post above mate. For all his faults, Churchill grasped the nettle of WW2 and started an infrastructure project that would be picked up by Atlee to deliver the biggest transformation of wealth seen in this country in centuries (and the largest boom in capitalism in it's history).

That's what is required here. We need mass payments made to people who have to insulate. We need loans to businesses (particularly small businesses) to cope, requisitioning of private sector beds for the NHS, massive increases in spending in the NHS, a mass roll out of testing, investment in child care facilities, and huge pay rises to the minimum wage to obliterate child poverty.

That's before you get to the hundreds of billions required to stabilise the markets (as American have just done).

A decisive leader would have grasped that. See Roosevelt in America or Churchill here. As Roosevelt said, he wasn't a socialist but the saviour of American capitalism.

The sort of funding that is required can be done in part by borrowing, but would also require heavily redistributive taxes. The wealthy have grown so rich as to be unsustainable. It is time for them to pay some of the money they have been allocated back for the wider good.

They have no intentions of doing that though. It reminds me a little of the Roman Empire, Nero fiddling, with diseases and economic collapse intertwining to lead to an organic crisis the rulers have no idea what it means, never mind how to fix it.
Great post mate. Nothing to add.
 
Dave who ever is in no 10 there is no magic wand ... just common sense might help ... with our NHS we have a chance of a complete disaster... fingers crossed hey lets not make it to polictical mistakes have been made lets learn from them ....
Unfortunately, we're going to see party political dogma getting in the way of sound decision making.

The freaks propping up Johnson wont bat an eyelid at putting a percentage of our population at risk in order to avoid throwing the full force of the state at this...which is the only thing that can effectively tackle it.
 
  • shut down large scale events immediately
  • statutory sick pay for all those absent from work
  • limit the use of public transport
  • extend home deliveries
  • increase the number of testing kits

I think a bit differently...

Based on the info ive been told from China and other parts of asia...

Id actually quarantine / self isolate pensioners and kids.

Anyone of working age who didnt have underlying heath issues would need to work.

A failure to centralise command for this crisis into central government. Put it on a wartime footing. That IS happening in places like S.Korea.

If this were the Second World War, Johnson and Hancock would be Chamberlain and Lord Halifax. Appeasers.

1 month lockdown in manila now...police and army blocking all exits

No ones house is on fire though. Meanwhile washing hands actually helps to delay the spread of the virus. Everyone could sit in their own homes for 3 months, the economy collapses, then afterwards a visitor from China, Spain, Argentina or wherever arrives with the same bug and everyone catches it again, or we all go back home for 3 months.....

Thats the key point...people will get it...cant stay home till theres a cure.


See my post above mate. For all his faults, Churchill grasped the nettle of WW2 and started an infrastructure project that would be picked up by Atlee to deliver the biggest transformation of wealth seen in this country in centuries (and the largest boom in capitalism in it's history).

That's what is required here. We need mass payments made to people who have to insulate. We need loans to businesses (particularly small businesses) to cope, requisitioning of private sector beds for the NHS, massive increases in spending in the NHS, a mass roll out of testing, investment in child care facilities, and huge pay rises to the minimum wage to obliterate child poverty.

That's before you get to the hundreds of billions required to stabilise the markets (as American have just done).

A decisive leader would have grasped that. See Roosevelt in America or Churchill here. As Roosevelt said, he wasn't a socialist but the saviour of American capitalism.

The sort of funding that is required can be done in part by borrowing, but would also require heavily redistributive taxes. The wealthy have grown so rich as to be unsustainable. It is time for them to pay some of the money they have been allocated back for the wider good.

They have no intentions of doing that though. It reminds me a little of the Roman Empire, Nero fiddling, with diseases and economic collapse intertwining to lead to an organic crisis the rulers have no idea what it means, never mind how to fix it.

I dont think the UK should put massive amounts into the markets...

Its okay The UK govt advice is to wash your hands and dont touch your face!!!!

Thats the advice everywhere...
 
I think it’s just Varadkar playing politics and trying to look ‘strong’ while running down the economy for whoever takes over next.....
You really have not got a clue Pete
Leo sees this as a opportunity to be seen as a leader who will take the tough decisions to get things done
If he comes out of this well and things work out ok,he will force another election which he is hoping to win
This is his once chance at glory
Look at what the rest of Europe is doing
The body count at the end of this will determine weather Leo or Boris got this right
 
I think a bit differently...

Based on the info ive been told from China and other parts of asia...

Id actually quarantine / self isolate pensioners and kids.

Anyone of working age who didnt have underlying heath issues would need to work.
Nothing in what I said contradicts are precludes that.
 
Pete if your pub was forced to close how long would it be able to stay afloat financially
Could you ride it out for 3 months.
I know a few that couldn't

We don’t owe money to anyone and we have cash reserves which we are just about to increase, so we should be OK. We will have to see how we can help our staff in conjunction with what the government provides, but we will all get through it one way or another....
 
time for a government of national unity?

I might have missed it, but I havn't seen any real criticism of the governments / scientists strategy from Corbyn, McDonnell or anyone in the shadow cabinet ?

If that's the case, there's an implication that the party's being kept in the loop on the thinking behind the strategy. Even when Sturgeon announced that Scotland was shutting down largeish events, it was done more with the view of making sure emergency services were being used efficiently rather than it being on public health grounds.
 
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