Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

Probably quite a few saw them nasty immigrants caring for their loved ones in hospital.

It was more those stats about the positive impact immigrants, EU and no EU, have on UK Plc.

Well yeah. Sadly given the evidence about the faculties of many a leave voter, I'm not that surprised by their ignorance.

 

[roydo]

Well yeah. Sadly given the evidence about the faculties of many a leave voter, I'm not that surprised by their ignorance.

Kinda what I was getting at!

 

[random]

the data was from a YouGov survey and your conclusion is that those people are ignorant for viewing immigration as a positive, do I understand that correctly ?

 

[random]

It's noticeable that in a few studies, attitude towards immigration softened after the Brexit vote, and has softened again after Covid, such that very few regard it as an issue any more. Whether that's remained so after Farage and the Tories tried to stoke up some anger I don't know.

100 surveys aggregated showed that British negative attitudes towards immigration peaked in 2010 at 63% and have been on a linear decline ever since*.

Brexit occurred in the middle of this decline and although there was an approximate 6% increase (47% - 53%) in negativity at that time, the trend continued on its downward trajectory to where it is currently at approximately 35%

So I would say the answer to your question is no


*source data analyst at University of Exeter (May 11th 2020)

 

[Bruce Wayne]

100 surveys aggregated showed that British negative attitudes towards immigration peaked in 2010 at 63% and have been on a linear decline ever since*.

Brexit occurred in the middle of this decline and although there was an approximate 6% increase (47% - 53%) in negativity at that time, the trend continued on its downward trajectory to where it is currently at approximately 35%

So I would say the answer to your question is no


*source data analyst at University of Exeter (May 11th 2020)

That's the research I was referring to, but as you've noted, it was only up to May. Hopefully the trend has continued.

 

[random]

That's the research I was referring to, but as you've noted, it was only up to May. Hopefully the trend has continued.

Link to research

 

[blueblue]

We can still have a relationship with the Eu once they get over trying to punish the U.K. for daring to leave......

Of course there will be a relationship, but it is what that relationship will be is the question.

Britain is no longer in the EU and it will not have free access to European markets while at the same time having the freedom to negotiate it's own trade agreements with the rest of the world.
The EU is a market of 300m people and it has to negotiate to get the best deal for them

My own feeling is that ultimately there will be a last second deal when all this posturing is finished.
The alternative is bad for the EU but so much worse for Britain.

Even a small country like Ireland. We important more than 5 billion worth of goods from Britain every year and surprisingly we import more than we export.
A non agreement will hit us harder than other European country, a bad EU deal will hit us harder.

 

[orchard]

UK companies fear food shortages as Boris Johnson's government misses deadline for new Brexit labelling rules

• British businesses fear there is not enough time to produce new labels needed to export food after Britain leaves the Brexit transition period.
• Exporters will need new packaging to legally sell goods to both the European Union and customers in Northern Ireland from January.
• However, with just four months to go, trade associations say they are still waiting for Prime Minister Boris Johnson's government to provide guidance.
• Multiple trade bodies say the realistic deadline for producing new labelling has already passed.
• Business figures say that in a worst-case scenario, there could be food shortages in Northern Ireland

 

[random]

new labels needed to export food

• However, with just four months to go, trade associations say they are still waiting for Prime Minister Boris Johnson's government to provide guidance.

Tell them to look here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/food-labelling-changes-after-brexit

and the EU instructions are here: https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/inf...nfo_site/notice_for_stakeholders_food_law.pdf

 

[peteblue]

Of course there will be a relationship, but it is what that relationship will be is the question.

Britain is no longer in the EU and it will not have free access to European markets while at the same time having the freedom to negotiate it's own trade agreements with the rest of the world.
The EU is a market of 300m people and it has to negotiate to get the best deal for them

My own feeling is that ultimately there will be a last second deal when all this posturing is finished.
The alternative is bad for the EU but so much worse for Britain.

Even a small country like Ireland. We important more than 5 billion worth of goods from Britain every year and surprisingly we import more than we export.
A non agreement will hit us harder than other European country, a bad EU deal will hit us harder.

I too think a deal will be struck, but not until the EU understands that what they are pushing for, fish, playing field, subsidies etc, is not going to happen. The U.K. and ROI are tied by a myriad of arrangements and need each other to act responsibly. The EU, or rather Barnier and the French, think that they can bully The U.K. into what the EU (Barnier) wants. It’s not going to happen. It should be simple to agree a fishing policy between two parties with appropriate access but the EU cannot get its head around the fact that they control EU seas and the U.K. now controls the U.K. seas. This will, as usual go to the last minute.

If Boris caves in on fishing, he’s finished, it’s more political than economic. So I cannot believe he will do so. I do blame Varadkar for some of this because he forgot the economics and ties between our two countries while playing the big man with the EU behind him. However he eventually did then get together with Boris, so credit to him.

The U.K. sells more to the ROI than vice versa, but the EU sells more to the U.K. than vice versa. The UK is actually in a good position. Deals are being done with Australia, Japan and NZ while looking to join the CPTPP, plus whatever we do with the USA.

How it turns out no one really knows, but a No Deal is fine with me, perhaps not for you...

 

[summerisle]

So, it all boils down to Mr Whippy.

 

[random]

So, it all boils down to Mr Whippy.

vans are made by Whitby Morrison, a Crewe-based firm employing 50 staff, fronted by operations director Ed Whitby.

The firm became the "market leader" in the 1980s after its main competitor went bust, and today sells around 100 new vans each year, exporting about 20% of them.

So The Secretary of State for International Trade wants to have tariffs cut on 20 vans that are exported per year, and 'fight for them' in trade talks

British politicians really are the envy of the world aren't they ?


https://hansard.parliament.uk/commo...665-4A7E-ADEA-5C29C6B2FC07/TariffsOnUKExports

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Taking back control = the Tories doing whatever they want with no oversight at all.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I too think a deal will be struck, but not until the EU understands that what they are pushing for, fish, playing field, subsidies etc, is not going to happen. The U.K. and ROI are tied by a myriad of arrangements and need each other to act responsibly. The EU, or rather Barnier and the French, think that they can bully The U.K. into what the EU (Barnier) wants. It’s not going to happen. It should be simple to agree a fishing policy between two parties with appropriate access but the EU cannot get its head around the fact that they control EU seas and the U.K. now controls the U.K. seas. This will, as usual go to the last minute.

If Boris caves in on fishing, he’s finished, it’s more political than economic. So I cannot believe he will do so. I do blame Varadkar for some of this because he forgot the economics and ties between our two countries while playing the big man with the EU behind him. However he eventually did then get together with Boris, so credit to him.

The U.K. sells more to the ROI than vice versa, but the EU sells more to the U.K. than vice versa. The UK is actually in a good position. Deals are being done with Australia, Japan and NZ while looking to join the CPTPP, plus whatever we do with the USA.

How it turns out no one really knows, but a No Deal is fine with me, perhaps not for you...

And all the other things wrapped up in Brexit Pete? Visas to travel? Health Insurance? No double taxation for work done overseas? The numerous non-tariff arrangements that were wrapped up in Brexit? These are the things that matter while you're getting wet in the gusset about fishing.

 

[random]

And all the other things wrapped up in Brexit Pete? Visas to travel? Health Insurance? No double taxation for work done overseas? The numerous non-tariff arrangements that were wrapped up in Brexit? These are the things that matter while you're getting wet in the gusset about fishing.

It depends if they come to an arrangement and what it will entail, at the moment its all hypothetical, you may be being concerned for no reason, and I doubt Pete will be able to address those concerns anyway, although he might have a go.

My understanding is that there are 5 times more EU visitors/workers coming to the UK than the other way round*, therefore it is in the EU's interest to have an arrangement for their citizens for visas and health costs being agreed is it not ? (and yes I know being a member meant it was already arranged).

There are so many things that are to be decided and we will have definite conformation about them in the next few months. At that point in time I suspect there will be rather a lot of posts in here


*source - various places