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[random]

Taking back control = the Tories doing whatever they want with no oversight at all.

Isn't that the very definition of taking back control ? lol

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It depends if they come to an arrangement and what it will entail, at the moment its all hypothetical, you may be being concerned for no reason, and I doubt Pete will be able to address those concerns anyway, although he might have a go.

My understanding is that there are 5 times more EU visitors/workers coming to the UK than the other way round*, therefore it is in the EU's interest to have an arrangement for their citizens for visas and health costs being agreed is it not ? (and yes I know being a member meant it was already arranged).

There are so many things that are to be decided and we will have definite conformation about them in the next few months. At that point in time I suspect there will be rather a lot of posts in here


*source - various places

And yet those things have precisely no attention given to them as we waste time fluffing about something as relatively unimportant as fishing.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Isn't that the very definition of taking back control ? lol

If that means squashing any kind of democratic oversight, then yes. Even today Patel was complaining about the law getting in the way of her removing people coming to Britain on dinghies, like the law was some pesky thing to be trodden on at every opportunity rather than the bedrock of our society.

 

[random]

And yet those things have precisely no attention given to them as we waste time fluffing about something as relatively unimportant as fishing.

You said 'relatively unimportant' if that is the case why is the EU so up in arms about it ?

 

[nsno-chris]

Taking back control = the Tories doing whatever they want with no oversight at all.

Another misleading article. Every port in Europe has one of these “lorry parks”, there referred to as Border Control Posts under EU 2017/625. There is 2, I believe, being built at Kent and Dover due to lack of space on the physical port site

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You said 'relatively unimportant' if that is the case why is the EU so up in arms about it ?

I have absolutely no idea.

 

[orchard]

Tell them to look here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/food-labelling-changes-after-brexit

and the EU instructions are here: https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/inf...nfo_site/notice_for_stakeholders_food_law.pdf

Cheers. I'm sure that capable Johnson has this covered and it's all project fear to sway opinion.

Interestingly, I think Organic only have the choice of hoping for the government obtaining equivalence, or applying to be EU certifiers (which all bodies have done). Nothing has been established internally.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Another misleading article. Every port in Europe has one of these “lorry parks”, there referred to as Border Control Posts under EU 2017/625. There is 2, I believe, being built at Kent and Dover due to lack of space on the physical port site

But have the government had the power to significantly expand all of these "lorry parks" without public oversight before?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Start stocking up or rest assured Johnson will capitulate and deal will be reached...

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[random]

Cheers. I'm sure that capable Johnson has this covered and it's all project fear to sway

you posted an article with a ‘headline’ within 5 minutes I posted 2 links from legislative bodies contradicting the article.

considering most posters hark on about all the lies that were told without anyone being pulled up on them, surely the same standard should apply in the opposite direction ? to do otherwise is hypocritical is it not ?

 

[random]

I have absolutely no idea.

so you might think it unimportant but the EU & UK think otherwise

 

[nsno-chris]

But have the government had the power to significantly expand all of these "lorry parks" without public oversight before?

Probably not, but I think that’s irrelevant because there’s certain ports in the EU doing the same I believe (Calais being one). The article is extremely misleading though, it suggests that there’ll be mass lorry parks up and down and the country, with queues of trucks and drivers waiting for clearance of the goods.

It cites panic

 

[Bruce Wayne]

so you might think it unimportant but the EU & UK think otherwise

I suspect it's being squabbled over for political reasons rather than meaningful reasons. National pride or some such. Economically it is unimportant. Even from a food security perspective it's unimportant.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Probably not, but I think that’s irrelevant because there’s certain ports in the EU doing the same I believe (Calais being one). The article is extremely misleading though, it suggests that there’ll be mass lorry parks up and down and the country, with queues of trucks and drivers waiting for clearance of the goods.

It cites panic

You would presume that if customs checks are more laborious that there will be a need for greater capacity to park vehicles while those checks are undertaken though? You obviously know more about this than any of us here, so do you think this is a problem that will be largely confined to Dover?

 

[orchard]

you posted an article with a ‘headline’ within 5 minutes I posted 2 links from legislative bodies contradicting the article.

considering most posters hark on about all the lies that were told without anyone being pulled up on them, surely the same standard should apply in the opposite direction ? to do otherwise is hypocritical is it not ?

To be perfectly frank, as a layman, my belief is pretty much suspended in this context.

But one ought to ask, what would the trade bodies and companies gain by misrepresenting their members thus?
And additionally, would it be possible for this government to provide poor legislation that's rushed and inadequate ?