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[Jebus_lives]

by that rationale considering the numbers of UK citizens that live and work in the EU compared to the actual number of UK citizens, then the ability to live and work in the EU is unimportant for most in the UK as well if we are going by the actual numbers

just because it does not affect someone directly it does not lessen the impact on other people. Empathy for others is sadly lacking and considering thats what leave voters seem to get pulled up on.....

On the first point, the ability to live and work (movement) in the EU is a freedom which was available to all regardless of if they exercised that right (intentionally or otherwise). Why people would want to reduce that individual freedom in favour of giving the cabinet (Cummings, because currently that's what is practically happening) more power is beyond me.

The fishing industry isn't really comparable to that.

But aside from that, your point doesn't really contradict mine, especially the 'empathy' bit, that's just acting as padding.

 

[orchard]

It's being pushed for the same reason the Proms fiasco was pushed.

Don't forget that ice-cream van per year.

 

[random]

The fishing industry isn't really comparable to that.

But aside from that, your point doesn't really contradict mine, especially the 'empathy' bit, that's just acting as padding.

padding ? strange statement to make when a lot of posts in this very thread have words such as

gammon, sheep, idiots, lemmings, etc

Do you not class those as the same ?

I dont recall anyone getting pulled up over those things, depends on which side of the referendum the poster voted on I guess, it does appear that some folks have double standards though.

anyway, I digress, if I see something that I think is wrong, I will offer a conflicting opinion and if possible will quote a source.

 

[Jebus_lives]

padding ? strange statement to make when a lot of posts in this very thread have words such as

gammon, sheep, idiots, lemmings, etc

Do you not class those as the same ?

I dont recall anyone gettimg pulled up over those things, depends on which side of the referendum the poster voted on I guess, it does appear that some folks have double standards though.

anyway, I digress, if I see something that is wrong, I will offer a conflicting opinion and if possible will quote a source.

You threw in a statement about 'empathy among remain voters', which you've now continued, in a post I made saying I didn't think fishing was that big a deal for the majority of the UK population.

I don't think it is. I'm not sure how you've logically tied the two up.

 

[random]

You threw in a statement about 'empathy among remain voters', which you've now continued, in a post I made saying I didn't think fishing was that big a deal for the majority of the UK population.

I don't think it is. I'm not sure how you've logically tied the two up.

if you had not mentioned padding I wouldn’t have thought anymore about it, but as you put it in your post I felt it only right to enquire as to why you pulled me up on it yet not other examples of ‘padding’ in posts made by obvious remain voters.

like I said, some double standards get applied

 

[Azza]

Who'd have predicted this?

 

[random]

in a post I made saying I didn't think fishing was that big a deal for the majority of the UK population.

and neither was the right to live and work in the EU, we know this because there was a referendum

 

[Jebus_lives]

if you had not mentioned padding I wouldn’t have thought anymore about it, but as you put it in your post I felt it only right to enquire as to why you pulled me up on it yet not other examples of ‘padding’ in posts made by obvious remain voters.

like I said, some double standards get applied

It seemed irrelevant to the point.

Is fishing economically a big deal in the UK? No
Do we eat what we catch? No
Are we clamouring for a fishing based economy? No
Do people give much consideration to the plight of the fishing industry on a daily basis? No

It's important to the communities where is the centre of their lives (more important to Scotland than England), but for the rest of the UK I suspect it's a non issue unless it's a used as a gimmick.

You said you were looking forward to the 'UK investing in the UK' in a post not long back, how likely do you think this Government are going to heavily invest in the fishing industry of Grimsby? And how much of a fuss do you think the UK population will care if they don't?

 

[Jebus_lives]

and neither was the right to live and work in the EU, we know this because there was a referendum

Simplistic way of looking at but I take the point.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

It seemed irrelevant to the point.

Is fishing economically a big deal in the UK? No
Do we eat what we catch? No
Are we clamouring for a fishing based economy? No
Do people give much consideration to the plight of the fishing industry on a daily basis? No

It's important to the communities where is the centre of their lives (more important to Scotland than England), but for the rest of the UK I suspect it's a non issue unless it's a used as a gimmick.

You said you were looking forward to the 'UK investing in the UK' in a post not long back, how likely do you think this Government are going to heavily invest in the fishing industry of Grimsby? And how much of a fuss do you think the UK population will care if they don't?

I remember listening to a fisherman being interviewed who said that a lot of the kinds of fish they catch are sold to France as we are pretty unadventurous with what we eat. They wanted other kinds of seafood to be promoted and introduced to the British market. Doubt that will happen any time soon to be honest.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I remember listening to a fisherman being interviewed who said that a lot of the kinds of fish they catch are sold to France as we are pretty unadventurous with what we eat. They wanted other kinds of seafood to be promoted and introduced to the British market. Doubt that will happen any time soon to be honest.

A lot of Herring. Almost all of it. And almost all of it is sold to the EU or Norwary.

 

[peteblue]

If it's not already clear by now, of all of the many things wrapped up in our EU membership, fishing is arguably towards the bottom of my list of priorities

It’s an interesting sector though, very emotive with lots of vested interests...this is a good read about allocation of quotas and licenses, and the mismanagement brought about by trading of said licenses...

Privatising the seas: how the UK turned fishing rights into a commodity

The decline of British fishing drove coastal support for leaving the EU, but many of the industry’s problems have an origin closer to home

unearthed.greenpeace.org

 

[random]

You said you were looking forward to the 'UK investing in the UK' in a post not long back, how likely do you think this Government are going to heavily invest in the fishing industry of Grimsby? And how much of a fuss do you think the UK population will care if they don't?

I guess you know I live in Grimsby then ?

fishing industry ? zero investment imo

however the UK gov has given the go-ahead and are contributing towards a 19 berth shipping jetty in the humber, I am watching the groundwork being prepared as I type this.

as for the rest of the UK and fishing rights ? I doubt they care very much at all

the point I am trying to get across is just because someone in a city apartment doesnt think something is important it does not make it so that it isnt important to others

 

[Jebus_lives]

I guess you know I live in Grimsby then ?

fishing industry ? zero investment imo

however the UK gov has given the go-ahead and are contributing towards a 19 berth shipping jetty in the humber, I am watching the groundwork being prepared as I type this.

as for the rest of the UK and fishing rights ? I doubt they care very much at all

the point I am trying to get across is just because someone in a city apartment doesnt think something is important it does not make it so that it isnt important to others

I had no idea you lived in Grimsby. Commiserations lol

On a serious note, what about EU membership has prevented the UK investing in Grimsby prior to this point?

 

[peteblue]

I guess you know I live in Grimsby then ?

fishing industry ? zero investment imo

however the UK gov has given the go-ahead and are contributing towards a 19 berth shipping jetty in the humber, I am watching the groundwork being prepared as I type this.

as for the rest of the UK and fishing rights ? I doubt they care very much at all

the point I am trying to get across is just because someone in a city apartment doesnt think something is important it does not make it so that it isnt important to others

We all live in our own little bubbles, for instance Bruce doesn’t care about fish and that’s fair enough, but we should not dismiss those that do, especially those who depend upon it for their livelihood. Similarly I understand the frustrations of those who are employed in the EU or have to spend large amounts of time there working, but that will be sorted out, as will the fishing. No one is looking to deny EU access to our fishing grounds, just that fishing in U.K. waters should be under the control and law of the U.K. in exactly the same way that the EU will demand U.K. fishermen follow their diktats In EU waters, and that the UK gains a more appropriate quota within its own fishing grounds.....