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[Alan Whittle]

I guess you know I live in Grimsby then ?

fishing industry ? zero investment imo

however the UK gov has given the go-ahead and are contributing towards a 19 berth shipping jetty in the humber, I am watching the groundwork being prepared as I type this.

as for the rest of the UK and fishing rights ? I doubt they care very much at all

the point I am trying to get across is just because someone in a city apartment doesnt think something is important it does not make it so that it isnt important to others

1% of GDP, but emotive to an island nation. It’s importance now is completely out of kilter with other economic drivers but it suits the tories to use it to clatter towards a no deal. Which was the whole point for them in the first place.

 

[random]

On a serious note, what about EU membership has prevented the UK investing in Grimsby prior to this point?

they had no money left, did you not see the side of the bus ? lol

on a more serious note I will respond later when back at home.

 

[Tea_drinker]

Brexiteers and johnson himself seem determined to put fish at the centre of this. It's a complete distraction from the pending disaster that will affect many many more than some fishmongers.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It’s an interesting sector though, very emotive with lots of vested interests...this is a good read about allocation of quotas and licenses, and the mismanagement brought about by trading of said licenses...

Privatising the seas: how the UK turned fishing rights into a commodity

The decline of British fishing drove coastal support for leaving the EU, but many of the industry’s problems have an origin closer to home

unearthed.greenpeace.org

Privatising the seas: how the UK turned fishing rights into a commodity

The decline of British fishing drove coastal support for leaving the EU, but many of the industry’s problems have an origin closer to home

unearthed.greenpeace.org

Seems to sum things up. At least now we've left the EU we won't have them as scapegoats or something.

I'm not sure whether to be insulted or not lol

 

[peteblue]

I'm not sure whether to be insulted or not lol

Hahaha.....sorry missed that....but great minds and that.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Brexiteers and johnson himself seem determined to put fish at the centre of this. It's a complete distraction from the pending disaster that will affect many many more than some fishmongers.

Seems pertinent to remind ourselves

Kipper rules Boris Johnson blamed on EU are actually British, says Brussels

Europe’s ‘pointless’ regulations on food are in fact UK rules, commission tells MP

www.theguardian.com

 

[random]

Seems pertinent to remind ourselves

Kipper rules Boris Johnson blamed on EU are actually British, says Brussels

Europe’s ‘pointless’ regulations on food are in fact UK rules, commission tells MP

www.theguardian.com

If the guy in the Isle of Man was selling to a fish market then the legislation would apply, small difference but a difference nonetheless.

see diagram on page 13 of the EFSA legislation regarding this, nice little icons depicting who is handling the fish in the supply chain and at the point legislation is in effect.

https://efsa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.2903/j.efsa.2020.6091

Because he is selling directly to the public then there is little legislation in that regard from the EU, other than the member countries' rules are to be applied, the EU are more interested in the business-to-business transportation side of things.

A cynical person could argue that the UK Gov cares more about the direct transportation of fishery products to you, the consumer, than the EU does.

 

[random]

1% of GDP, but emotive to an island nation. It’s importance now is completely out of kilter with other economic drivers but it suits the tories to use it to clatter towards a no deal. Which was the whole point for them in the first place.

I think its more like 0.1% mate

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46372153

however it might just be a negotiating position as its worth more to the EU than the UK, in particular the French*
(that said the Tories have nailed their colours to the mast in regards fishing grounds, but that sort of thing doesn't stop a policy U turn when it suits)


The UK has the fifth largest exclusive economic zone in the world (approximately 6.8m square kilometres) and the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) surrounding the United Kingdom represents 11 percent of the total surface, with some 774,000 square kilometres (the rest being EEZs in Crown dependencies or British Overseas Territories).
The UK EEZ is the greatest ‘shared’ EEZ operating under the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) in Northern Europe.

By comparison, France’s EEZ in Continental Europe represents about half the size of the United Kingdom’s EEZ, with approx. 335,000 square kilometres.

UK waters are also particularly rich of seafood resource, as 40 percent of the total EU catches take place in the UK’s EEZ but mainly exploited by UK’s neighbour countries.

Because of these factors, and the geographical proximity between the two countries, France’s fishing industry is now “heavily dependent” on UK waters.

In fact, out of the three main traditional fishing regions: Normandy, Brittany and Hauts-de-France – which all together represent 75 percent of the French fishing industry – two of them (Brittany and Hauts-de-France) rely on the UK waters for more than 50 percent of their catches.


*source D. De Vismes French UPR party (in March)

 

[Alan Whittle]

I think its more like 0.1% mate

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46372153

however it might just be a negotiating position as its worth more to the EU than the UK, in particular the French*


The UK has the fifth largest exclusive economic zone in the world (approximately 6.8m square kilometres) and the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) surrounding the United Kingdom represents 11 percent of the total surface, with some 774,000 square kilometres (the rest being EEZs in Crown dependencies or British Overseas Territories).
The UK EEZ is the greatest ‘shared’ EEZ operating under the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) in Northern Europe.

By comparison, France’s EEZ in Continental Europe represents about half the size of the United Kingdom’s EEZ, with approx. 335,000 square kilometres.

UK waters are also particularly rich of seafood resource, as 40 percent of the total EU catches take place in the UK’s EEZ but mainly exploited by UK’s neighbour countries.

Because of these factors, and the geographical proximity between the two countries, France’s fishing industry is now “heavily dependent” on UK waters.

In fact, out of the three main traditional fishing regions: Normandy, Brittany and Hauts-de-France – which all together represent 75 percent of the French fishing industry – two of them (Brittany and Hauts-de-France) rely on the UK waters for more than 50 percent of their catches.


*source D. De Vismes French UPR party (in March)

Interesting. Thank you. I’m genuinely a bit confused on the bit about our waters being “a particularly rich seafood resource..” as I often hear about “over fishing.” Nevertheless, a new perspective.

 

[roydo]

Interesting. Thank you. I’m genuinely a bit confused on the bit about our waters being “a particularly rich seafood resource..” as I often hear about “over fishing.” Nevertheless, a new perspective.

I guess its the marine version of some areas are better for growing stuff on land.

 

[random]

off topic (sort of)

I have actually been out on a Seine netting trip (pair trawling) and was out for two weeks in the area of the North Sea called Dogger (bank). My dad knew a skipper who said I could go out with him and his crew, not as a job but as an experience. I experienced throwing up for the 1st two days I can tell you that !

https://seafish.org/gear-database/gear/pair-trawl/

So I have seen 1st hand what is involved in what they are all arguing over. Bit to dangerous for my tastes in the very bad weather I will be honest.

 

[Alan Whittle]

I guess its the marine version of some areas are better for growing stuff on land.

It was the apparent contradiction between “rich source” and “overfished” I was confused about.

 

[roydo]

It was the apparent contradiction between “rich source” and “overfished” I was confused about.

Its not a subject I know much about, but when Mrs R was in hospital earlier this year, I was drawn to some TV programme about Cornish fishing. Apparently, the seas off Cornwall are renowned as the finest in the world. So, without some controls, I guess overfishing would happen, which long term, aint great.

 

[random]

I think overfishing is taking so many fish out of a body of water that the natural reproduction cannot keep up, so eventually the stocks disappear.

Therefore there might be a rich source of fish but if the catch rate is too high then that rich source of stock would dry up

 

[nsno-chris]

If the guy in the Isle of Man was selling to a fish market then the legislation would apply, small difference but a difference nonetheless.

see diagram on page 13 of the EFSA legislation regarding this, nice little icons depicting who is handling the fish in the supply chain and at the point legislation is in effect.

https://efsa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.2903/j.efsa.2020.6091

Because he is selling directly to the public then there is little legislation in that regard from the EU, other than the member countries' rules are to be applied, the EU are more interested in the business-to-business transportation side of things.

A cynical person could argue that the UK Gov cares more about the direct transportation of fishery products to you, the consumer, than the EU does.

that’s not legislation, that’s a scientific paper with regards to transporting fresh water fish.

There’s is no difference between consumer or business selling, the legislation covers either direct or indirect landings of fishery products.