Current Affairs EU In or Out

[sbbefc]

Why is that? Genuine question. I haven't seen or heard this anywhere.

I might have interpreted this incorrectly and it might be referring to driving your own car into France only. But reading that link, you'd need to have an insurance green card and it needs to be requested 6 weeks before going?

 

[wainy]

Keir Starmer, another Tory in red. Why vote for it when you know its complete crap, surely better to just abstain as a party to show your displeasure.

 

[Blues Harp]

Keir Starmer, another Tory in red. Why vote for it when you know its complete crap, surely better to just abstain as a party to show your displeasure.

Why not vote against it to show your displeasure and have some shred of principle.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I might have interpreted this incorrectly and it might be referring to driving your own car into France only. But reading that link, you'd need to have an insurance green card and it needs to be requested 6 weeks before going?

Pretty certain that's just to drive your own car mate.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Keir Starmer, another Tory in red. Why vote for it when you know its complete crap, surely better to just abstain as a party to show your displeasure.

I guess he's looking to the future and the next election. He knows he needs to win back the Labour Brexit voters if he's any chance to win the election. If he sat on the fence now you can guarantee that whoever is leading the Tories at the time will play this card to the full extent. That's the only reason I can see for him supporting it anyway.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Still reckon Starmer and his cabinet should vote for it, but allow Labour's MPs a free vote. Whatever happens it will pass, Johnson and Conservative Government own this terrible deal but it's better than no deal. Point of principle has been registered loud and clear by remainers now is the time to be pragmatic, show leadership embrace those in the fallen red wall, and build something better out of this right royal Conservative Party mess.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

will someone please think of the eels

Those horrible Sargasso sea immigrant eels like... Horrible foreign eels can't they conger.

 

[Cool_Blue]

Travel after Brexit: How will it affect my holidays to the EU?

A simple guide to how leaving the EU will affect travel to Europe.

www.bbc.co.uk

Irritating. Last few holidays to continental Europe we made the decision to rent a car a few days before going. Won't be possible now.

No, it’s just normal BBC scaremongering.

Will I be able to drive in Europe?​

is the rather misleading headline, as per. Renting a car (which most of us do rather than take our own vehicle) will only require your uk licence to be shown, as it always has been. Green Card is insurance for taking YOUR vehicle abroad.​

 

[Prevenger17]

Johnson and Conservative Government own this terrible deal but it's better than no deal.

This really. Just draw a line under it, everyone knows who presided over the disaster. A no deal would be catastrophic and I reckon the EUs reserves of patience have been stretched to their absolute limit

 

[Prevenger17]

I know a lot of you will be delighted to see a Brexit voter fall on his face as a direct result of leaving the EU. But before you start blowing your trumpets let's just wait and see what happens.

That seems to be the mantra of Conservatives and Brexiteers at the moment, but it would have been nice if people knew what they were diving into in the first place. People have been branded Remoaners just for looking for some shreds of detail and transparency throughout this whole thing. To have a deal signed and still be told to wait and see what happens is smash-your-head-off-a-wall stuff

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I know a lot of you will be delighted to see a Brexit voter fall on his face as a direct result of leaving the EU. But before you start blowing your trumpets let's just wait and see what happens.

They will well the red wall type, not Farage or Johnson finance wise even the Government own modelling predicts short to medium pain. Thats why the wooly Sovereignty ideal was peddled. Long term who knows!?

 

[Barnfred 55]

That seems to be the mantra of Conservatives and Brexiteers at the moment, but it would have been nice if people knew what they were diving into in the first place. People have been branded Remoaners just for looking for some shreds of detail and transparency throughout this whole thing. To have a deal signed and still be told to wait and see what happens is smash-your-head-off-a-wall stuff

And equally the mantra of the remain voters is to jump on any piece of potential bad news and claim the world has fallen in.

In this particular case it may or may not happen. You can give reasons why it may happen and I believe I gave plausible reasons why it may not. So I don't believe a wait and see mantra in this particular case is unreasonable.

The truth is nobody knows for certain what will happen. We know there will be disruption, but we don't know how much. We know there will be added costs but we don't know how much. We know we can do new trade deals but we don't know how many or what they will be worth. We know that we are no longer bound by the dreadful CAP and CFP but we don't know how good this Government will be in taking advantage of that fact. There are so many unknowns.

You, and practically all of the remain voters on here prefer to assume that the worst will happen. I prefer to wait and see. If you think that's unreasonable then there's not much I can do about it.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

You, and practically all of the remain voters on here prefer to assume that the worst will happen. I prefer to wait and see. If you think that's unreasonable then there's not much I can do about it

You don't have to wait. Government own predictions model short to medium pain, job loses good rising in cost for the UK enduser, is the cost of sovereignty.

 

[Prevenger17]

You, and practically all of the remain voters on here prefer to assume that the worst will happen

I'm from Ireland, I didn't vote and only care vicariously through my English friends and relatives who this affects. I don't assume the worst will happen, just that telling people to wait and see while watching your car crash government make utter clowns of themselves at every turn is not going to fill reasonable people with much hope. It's all a bit jarring for some, particularly after the chest-thumping certainty of the leave campaign. Just because the almost supernaturally vague utterances and reassurances of Boris Johnson can soothe you doesn't mean that everyone else has to skip happily along the path.

Now is precisely the right time to be talking about this Eel man and the many small businesses around the UK that are currently crapping their keks. "Wait and see" might not be a viable strategy for them right now, they need answers soon, they need ideas soon, they need action from their government soon. This ideally would have been sorted prior to barrelling out of the tangibly better deal you already had but give your head a wobble if you're getting upset at people bringing this stuff up

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I know a lot of you will be delighted to see a Brexit voter fall on his face as a direct result of leaving the EU. But before you start blowing your trumpets let's just wait and see what happens.

At the moment he's concerned about the effect of red tape on the demand for his product and his fears may well be justified. But his product also has a finite supply, and there's no guarantee that the French, who appear to be his only serious competition, will be able to replace the significant numbers he currently exports to the EU, at least in the short term. Extra demand will also increase the cost of the French product, a natural bi product of demand and supply laws, which in itself would make the additional red tape for his product more palatable.

The other side to this is that the UK haven't yet opened markets to the rest of the world. So far they have concentrated their efforts on replacing those trade agreements we would lose by leaving the EU. As these come on board new markets will open to his business which can hopefully take up the slack caused by a reduction in his EU trade. Ultimately his business may even grow, which was the purpose of him voting to leave in the first place. I for one hope that it does, for the sake of those who work for him and others who are also reliant on his business for their livelihood.

At the end of the day, he is a person who voted Brexit because he thought it would be best for his business and those it supports. I really don't see how that is any different to those business owners who voted remain because they believed that staying in the EU would be better for their business.

I take no pleasure in the guy realising he’s made a massive mistake in backing Brexit. He clearly explains his issue, as all of his customers are in the EU and the loss of frictionless trade puts him at a huge disadvantage to competitors on the European mainland - his own words.

He admits he didn’t realise that a vote for Brexit was going to mean the loss of frictionless trade.

You’re trying to suggest that he doesn’t know his own market and the competition as well as you do ffs. Also the ‘opening up the rest of the World’ narrative is just abject nonsense and always has been. As this fella has patently just realised.