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[NilSatisOptimum]

TBF I wouldn't be sure about that, at all. The modern right do not generally like fighting political battles on things that exist in reality, especially when they've been in charge of those things or responsible for them coming about. The actual impact of Brexit, like the impact of austerity or the impact of terrorist attacks, is really difficult to frame in an us (patriots) vs them (traitors) context because so many people have actually felt affected by those things. This was one of the main reasons why they did so (comparatively) badly in 2017 - May tried to run a campaign based on their record and it stank, and why they did so well in 2019 - where Labour tried to run on what they would do rather than what the Tories had actually done.

So they will probably cast around for some wedge issue nonsense and then look to make that the focus of the next election - its really difficult to pick one this far out, but if I had to hazard a guess I'd say Scottish independence, with them going in to it on a question of something like "The UK is your country, you should have the right to decide if it is going to be broken up" and then painting everyone else as ineffective dupes who are responsible for this ultimately (Labour / LDs) or potential fifth columnists / terrorists wanting to put foreign bases on "our" soil (SNP). If the Queen is still around then then they'll probably dangle the idea of what losing her country would do to her, how dare you Scots kill her with this talk etc etc

The media as in The Sun, Daily Mail, The Telegraph and Express, they drive the news cycle, so the election will be framed on a question, until the words, traitor and Brexit become indelibly associated with the opposition, there will be no wedge issue, it will be watering down of Brexit thus traitor...

Furthermore many people of populist nature, as demonstrated by almost all leavers is they exist only in information silos, resistant to anything that might challenge their views. While fed a constant diet to reaffirm their prejudices from their digital arena they frequent. So much is the case these people now inhabit in every respect alternate realities.

Those with the most money control the digital arena, which is not subject to electoral law in the same way as other media.

 

[random]

Don't know much about this scheme. Is it used by a massive part of the UK population?

link here gives some UK figures

UK Erasmus

 

[BlueDraka]

link here gives some UK figures

UK Erasmus

Yeah just read that before. But can't see anything cost wise about this Turning scheme. So hard to compare it

 

[BlueDraka]

The media as in The Sun, Daily Mail, The Telegraph and Express, they drive the news cycle, so the election will be framed on a question, until the words, traitor and Brexit become indelibly associated with the opposition, there will be no wedge issue, it will be watering down of Brexit thus traitor...

Furthermore many people of populist nature, as demonstrated by almost all leavers is they exist only in information silos, resistant to anything that might challenge their views. While fed a constant diet to reaffirm their prejudices from their digital arena they frequent. So much is the case these people now inhabit in every respect alternate realities.

Those with the most money control the digital arena, which is not subject to electoral law in the same way as other media.

Furthermore many people of populist nature, as demonstrated by almost all leavers is they exist only in information silos, resistant to anything that might challenge their views.


Quite bigoted views there.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yeah just read that before. But can't see anything cost wise about this Turning scheme. So hard to compare it

I've told you already. The UK Turing (Alan Turing - he's kind of a big deal) scheme will be £100 million and aims to fund 35,000 students. Erasmus funds each student to the tune of around £12,500.

 

[BlueDraka]

I've told you already. The UK Turing (Alan Turing - he's kind of a big deal) scheme will be £100 million and aims to fund 35,000 students. Erasmus funds each student to the tune of around £12,500.

I know you said that. Tried googling about this Turning,( he was a big deal) scheme. You get general information about it but can't see any figures.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I know you said that. Tried googling about this Turning,( he was a big deal) scheme. You get general information about it but can't see any figures.

Turing. It's Alan Turing. FFS

Alan Turing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Given that it was under a Churchill-led government that Turing was prosecuted for homosexuality they've got a bloody nerve using his name for anything tbh.

 

[ste d' indica]

I know you said that. Tried googling about this Turning,( he was a big deal) scheme. You get general information about it but can't see any figures.

Jesus 'kin christ.....

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

And I believe the opposite. The U.K. will now get back to trading around the world while the EU protectionist bloc diminishes year on year......

EU ultimately got what it wanted, which was to keep us close to their regulatory regime.

 

[roydo]

EU ultimately got what it wanted, which was to keep us close to their regulatory regime.

And their mitts on financial services in London.

 

[Jebus_lives]

What is it with Remainers trying to prove that the EU ‘won’...is it because they got the referendum vote wrong, the General Election vote wrong, Boris to renegotiate the WA wrong and doing the FTA wrong. Lads have you not twigged this yet, you are wrong, and on a consistent basis. Cant wait to see what you attempt to forecast next..........

Absolute state of you.

 

[spectateur]

I like that we have a deal, it isn't a perfect deal by any means. The checks and delays that follow will be a hindrance for sure. We see how it goes from here. I would rather be wrong and the UK makes a success out of it rather than see it all burn. Problem is most leavers thought the opposite and didn't mind the chaos and decrease in living standards just so long as we didn't have freedom of movement.

No they didn't want freedom of movement, those people who would never dream of going to work in , never mind live in a continental country.
All they were bothered about were "polish and romanians and the like" coming to live in the UK, taking "our" jobs;
They didn't ever know that the UK could have placed 3 month restrictions and other conditions about the entry of people from EU countries..
They were never told that the government couldn't be arsed to apply those conditions.
The country needed cheap labour!

Same with blue passports - we all know that the UK could have had any colour it wanted at any time. But they all chose to believe the right wing tabloid press.

And so on - - - - .Ill educated and ill informed fools! Conned by smooth talking salesmen.

 

[Jebus_lives]

You could be right. Buts it still just an estimate. Like when people said we won't get medical treatment free in the EU when we leave the EU.

We wouldn't have had under a no deal.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

And their mitts on financial services in London.

Maybe a re-balancing and move back to manufacturing, like to see the employment rights and secure employment on that scenario being on universal credit is going to be finally useful, well for manufacturing owner and investors...lol