I agree about Johnson. He is just a liar about everything But I think that about nearly every politician. Makes you wonder why Macron is disliked so much in France. Don't know much about Merkel but she does seem to speak a lot of sense.
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Posted this 10 days ago when the outcome was still very much in doubt.
Not often I can say this but I called this one right.
You know what they say, "Divided we stand".
Oh.......
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It's why this famous Bexiteer got on his trotters, he ain't daft!
Even more shameful for UK then...
And this sovereignty was never for the little people. All we've achieved is to hand greater powers to people who seek to further enrich themselves, while diminishing our own power to counter.
Sure, no deal would have been worse, but Ii won't escape the fact that Brexit diminishes us, makes us smaller, inward facing, isolated. It doesn't signal that the UK is a engaged buccaneering player on the global stage, but rather that we're retreating from an interconnected world into a fantasy of a Britain that never existed...
And like I said Brexit will be the single biggest issue at next election, racist inward populists aren't going abandon there biggest asset anytime soon. Are they?
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No I meant literally impossible. Not an opinion. We can't compete with the EU like for like, it's too big, too prosperous overall. It'd have to lose around three quarters of its' overall GDP to be in line with us.
If the EU breaks up, then we could in theory compete head to head with France, Germany, Italy etc. as individual economies (albeit we actually wouldn't with the former two - THAT'S an opinion though), but as a collective we can't. And while the EU exists, they have no incentive whatsoever to see the UK be a success on its own.
That headline is rhetoric. Typical Johnson aspirational nonsense based on nothing in reality/
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It's why this famous Bexiteer got on his trotters, he ain't daft!
Even more shameful for UK then...
And this sovereignty was never for the little people. All we've achieved is to hand greater powers to people who seek to further enrich themselves, while diminishing our own power to counter.
Sure, no deal would have been worse, but Ii won't escape the fact that Brexit diminishes us, makes us smaller, inward facing, isolated. It doesn't signal that the UK is a engaged buccaneering player on the global stage, but rather that we're retreating from an interconnected world into a fantasy of a Britain that never existed...
And like I said Brexit will be the single biggest issue at next election, racist inward populists aren't going abandon there biggest asset anytime soon. Are they?
TBF I wouldn't be sure about that, at all. The modern right do not generally like fighting political battles on things that exist in reality, especially when they've been in charge of those things or responsible for them coming about. The actual impact of Brexit, like the impact of austerity or the impact of terrorist attacks, is really difficult to frame in an us (patriots) vs them (traitors) context because so many people have actually felt affected by those things. This was one of the main reasons why they did so (comparatively) badly in 2017 - May tried to run a campaign based on their record and it stank, and why they did so well in 2019 - where Labour tried to run on what they would do rather than what the Tories had actually done.
So they will probably cast around for some wedge issue nonsense and then look to make that the focus of the next election - its really difficult to pick one this far out, but if I had to hazard a guess I'd say Scottish independence, with them going in to it on a question of something like "The UK is your country, you should have the right to decide if it is going to be broken up" and then painting everyone else as ineffective dupes who are responsible for this ultimately (Labour / LDs) or potential fifth columnists / terrorists wanting to put foreign bases on "our" soil (SNP). If the Queen is still around then then they'll probably dangle the idea of what losing her country would do to her, how dare you Scots kill her with this talk etc etc
The current mood seems to be 'we got a deal, let's all kiss and make up before anyone starts asking what the detail is'Posted this 10 days ago when the outcome was still very much in doubt.
Not often I can say this but I called this one right.
You know what they say, "Divided we stand".
Oh.......
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Been a bit like Remainer Bingo in here the last few days. God knows what it would have been like if we didn't get a deal. 
I, for one, don't give a toss which side won or lost the negotiation, who stood firm and who caved in. It really doesn't matter. What matters is that we got a deal, in the end. Not just because we've avoided tariffs, although that is one of the benefits. But, more importantly, it gives us and the EU a platform to build a future mutual relationship on.
Leaving without a trade deal would have brought economic hardship to both sides, which would have made recovery from the covid financial hit all that much harder to achieve. But more importantly, the political fallout from a no deal would have been horrific.
There's been a huge divide in this country since Brexit, which in itself is bad enough, but no deal would have created a bigger divide between the UK and the EU. From policing fisheries, to blockading EU ports, to citizens boycotting the other sides goods, stopping holidays and ultimately prejudice against EU nationals in the UK and vice versa.
So yeah. I'm celebrating the deal given what the only alternative meant.
I, for one, don't give a toss which side won or lost the negotiation, who stood firm and who caved in. It really doesn't matter. What matters is that we got a deal, in the end. Not just because we've avoided tariffs, although that is one of the benefits. But, more importantly, it gives us and the EU a platform to build a future mutual relationship on.
Leaving without a trade deal would have brought economic hardship to both sides, which would have made recovery from the covid financial hit all that much harder to achieve. But more importantly, the political fallout from a no deal would have been horrific.
There's been a huge divide in this country since Brexit, which in itself is bad enough, but no deal would have created a bigger divide between the UK and the EU. From policing fisheries, to blockading EU ports, to citizens boycotting the other sides goods, stopping holidays and ultimately prejudice against EU nationals in the UK and vice versa.
So yeah. I'm celebrating the deal given what the only alternative meant.
Is it really?Been a bit like Remainer Bingo in here the last few days. God knows what it would have been like if we didn't get a deal.
I, for one, don't give a toss which side won or lost the negotiation, who stood firm and who caved in. It really doesn't matter. What matters is that we got a deal, in the end. Not just because we've avoided tariffs, although that is one of the benefits. But, more importantly, it gives us and the EU a platform to build a future mutual relationship on.
Leaving without a trade deal would have brought economic hardship to both sides, which would have made recovery from the covid financial hit all that much harder to achieve. But more importantly, the political fallout from a no deal would have been horrific.
There's been a huge divide in this country since Brexit, which in itself is bad enough, but no deal would have created a bigger divide between the UK and the EU. From policing fisheries, to blockading EU ports, to citizens boycotting the other sides goods, stopping holidays and ultimately prejudice against EU nationals in the UK and vice versa.
So yeah. I'm celebrating the deal given what the only alternative meant.
After 4 years of bombast, hyperbole and pissing all over UK constitutional convention...the bar for success is now measured as getting a deal?
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Of course it is, because thats the one achievement they can point to now; everything else is appeals to reason and unity (which everyone from Johnson, to Sarah Vine in the Mail, to the useful idiots on here are making) even though these are the unreasonable, divisive wretches who are about to cost this country billions.
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This post hasn't been given the middle finger for some reason, so I thought I'd rectify that. Hope you don't mind.
Seems a shame to spoil a perfect record
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In my opinion, that's an opinion, not a fact.
I look at your post and I don't know how you are defining the word "compete". If you mean we have to have a GDP as high or higher than the EU block, then no. But to say we'll never be able to grow our GDP (percentage wise) as much as the EU block, or even grow in certain area's as much as the EU, is not factual at all.
Just my opinion like.
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I've put my reasoning in the original post. I've nothing to add.
You disagree with almost everything I post in here so nothing to see here.
I don't.
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