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[Barnfred 55]

I don't.

I'll give you that one

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Hope you had a good Christmas. Mine was going well until the missus poured a pan of scalding vegetable stock over my hand when we were trying to save some for the gravy. Least it gets me out of the washing up for a few days.

 

[Tubey]

In my opinion, that's an opinion, not a fact.

I look at your post and I don't know how you are defining the word "compete". If you mean we have to have a GDP as high or higher than the EU block, then no. But to say we'll never be able to grow our GDP (percentage wise) as much as the EU block, or even grow in certain area's as much as the EU, is not factual at all.

Just my opinion like.

But that's not competing. By that logic, Nicaragua can compete with China by growing their GDP by a percentage point more - the reality is they can't and aren't.

 

[peteblue]

It's why this famous Bexiteer got on his trotters, he ain't daft!

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Even more shameful for UK then...

And this sovereignty was never for the little people. All we've achieved is to hand greater powers to people who seek to further enrich themselves, while diminishing our own power to counter.

Sure, no deal would have been worse, but Ii won't escape the fact that Brexit diminishes us, makes us smaller, inward facing, isolated. It doesn't signal that the UK is a engaged buccaneering player on the global stage, but rather that we're retreating from an interconnected world into a fantasy of a Britain that never existed...

And like I said Brexit will be the single biggest issue at next election, racist inward populists aren't going abandon there biggest asset anytime soon. Are they?

And I believe the opposite. The U.K. will now get back to trading around the world while the EU protectionist bloc diminishes year on year......

 

[bluejim95]

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Oh yes, a great success...

Would love to see a 3rd column showing what May's deal would have achieved. Would be interesting for sure.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Of course it is, because thats the one achievement they can point to now; everything else is appeals to reason and unity (which everyone from Johnson, to Sarah Vine in the Mail, to the useful idiots on here are making) even though these are the unreasonable, divisive wretches who are about to cost this country billions.

It really is a low bar. We don't need to read anything, we don't need to scrutinize it, we don't need to unpick the implications...

We've got a deal, at Christmas no less, so everyone should be delighted and all 'back the deal'.

And we can now all put our faith in a man, that almost everyone admits is lying to them about the implications of the thing that we should all herald as a great success.

Relief for the remainers that it wasn't the worst possible deal and relief for the leave voters that a deal has been reached so they can claim closure....

 

[Tubey]

It does seem like this wonderful trade deal gives both sides tariff-free access in manufacturing, which is where continental Europe is strong, and woeful access in services, which the UK is strong in. But yeah, good job Throw in the huge reduction in our freedoms that we already knew about and it's hard to see how this is in anyway better than what we previously enjoyed.

Here’s What Britain’s Brexit Trade Deal With the EU Will Change

For businesses, the trade deal between Britain and the European Union comes as a relief, mitigating some of the worst disruption they face, but it won’t be a full substitute for membership of the bloc.

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It's objectively not better. Only a fool would say it was.

And the EU was always going to "win" on this deal as we have much more to lose, so again not surprising.

We're simply reaping what we sowed in 2016. My only hope is that those accountable are held accountable in the years to come.

 

[Barnfred 55]

But that's not competing. By that logic, Nicaragua can compete with China by growing their GDP by a percentage point more - the reality is they can't and aren't.

That's not the same and you know it. Again it comes down to the definition of compete.

If we are in a position where our GDP is growing at a faster rate than the EU block, and faster than individual EU countries like Germany, France Italy and Spain, I'd be happy and would argue we were competitive. I don't believe that is impossible.

Neither do I believe that it is impossible that we could go head to head with EU member states to compete for certain projects. Not saying we'll win them all but to say we couldn't even compete is an opinion, not a fact.

As I said, I'm having difficulty understanding what your interpretation of "competing" is.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I'll give you that one

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Hope you had a good Christmas. Mine was going well until the missus poured a pan of scalding vegetable stock over my hand when we were trying to save some for the gravy. Least it gets me out of the washing up for a few days.

It was lovely thanks. Scaled back from usual but to be expected.

Ouch about the gravy. But be grateful it wasn't on your bollocks.

Feels like a nice metaphor for what we're discussing this.

 

[Barnfred 55]

It was lovely thanks. Scaled back from usual but to be expected.

Ouch about the gravy. But be grateful it wasn't on your bollocks.

Feels like a nice metaphor for what we're discussing this.

We went into next doors for a Xmas morning drink (tier 1 down here so not the same restrictions) and we must have had a bottle of bubbly between us. Think it definitely effected our common sense. Tried to pour the carrot and turnip into a colander, with me holding an empty plastic jug underneath to catch the veggie stock. What could possibly go wrong lol

Luckily the pan had been cooling off for a few minutes beforehand otherwise it may have been a hospital job.

 

[peteblue]

What is it with Remainers trying to prove that the EU ‘won’...is it because they got the referendum vote wrong, the General Election vote wrong, Boris to renegotiate the WA wrong and doing the FTA wrong. Lads have you not twigged this yet, you are wrong, and on a consistent basis. Cant wait to see what you attempt to forecast next..........

 

[Prevenger17]

What is it with Remainers trying to prove that the EU ‘won’...is it because they got the referendum vote wrong, the General Election vote wrong, Boris to renegotiate the WA wrong and doing the FTA wrong. Lads have you not twigged this yet, you are wrong, and on a consistent basis. Cant wait to see what you attempt to forecast next..........

That they were wrong about those outcomes, or the fact that they didn't want those outcomes, doesn't mean they were wrong about the overall net result of leaving the EU. The deal is tangibly worse for the UK than the deal it had as part of the EU and, depending on what walk of life and generation you're a part of, it's significantly worse. It remains to be seen whether this will work out in the long run, but I can defo see why many people are apprehensive, particularly with the guileless buffoon running the show at the moment.

Personally, I'm just relieved some deal was reached and the UK has a chance of making something of it. A no deal would have been spectacularly bad

 

[peteblue]

That they were wrong about those outcomes, or the fact that they didn't want those outcomes, doesn't mean they were wrong about the overall net result of leaving the EU. The deal is tangibly worse for the UK than the deal it had as part of the EU and, depending on what walk of life and generation you're a part of, it's significantly worse. It remains to be seen whether this will work out in the long run, but I can defo see why many people are apprehensive, particularly with the guileless buffoon running the show at the moment.

Personally, I'm just relieved some deal was reached and the UK has a chance of making something of it. A no deal would have been spectacularly bad

I totally understand the apprehension and the fact that the deal cannot possibly be as good as what we have left. But we have regained the ability to act as we see fit and trade as we wish, for our own benefit, without having to drag 27 other squabbling countries and the myriad of 27 countries requirements behind us...

The country doesn’t grow because of who is PM, the country will grow because of the people in our businesses and the technology and services that we provide. A PM can assist or get in the way, but it’s our people that do it, and I just happen to believe that our people will do it...once all the whining from the Remainers stops and they get their arses into gear......

 

[Prevenger17]

I totally understand the apprehension and the fact that the deal cannot possibly be as good as what we have left. But we have regained the ability to act as we see fit and trade as we wish, for our own benefit, without having to drag 27 other squabbling countries and the myriad of 27 countries requirements behind us...

The country doesn’t grow because of who is PM, the country will grow because of the people in our businesses and the technology and services that we provide. A PM can assist or get in the way, but it’s our people that do it, and I just happen to believe that our people will do it...once all the whining from the Remainers stops and they get their arses into gear......

I just don't have any faith in the Brits tbh, the bunch of weirdos

 

[dead_soft]

I totally understand the apprehension and the fact that the deal cannot possibly be as good as what we have left. But we have regained the ability to act as we see fit and trade as we wish, for our own benefit, without having to drag 27 other squabbling countries and the myriad of 27 countries requirements behind us...

The country doesn’t grow because of who is PM, the country will grow because of the people in our businesses and the technology and services that we provide. A PM can assist or get in the way, but it’s our people that do it, and I just happen to believe that our people will do it...once all the whining from the Remainers stops and they get their arses into gear......

The problem is, none of this is a policy, or even a real tangible thing it's one step away from being a 'Live, Laugh, Love' canvas on a kitchen wall

 

[bluejim95]

What is it with Remainers trying to prove that the EU ‘won’...is it because they got the referendum vote wrong, the General Election vote wrong, Boris to renegotiate the WA wrong and doing the FTA wrong. Lads have you not twigged this yet, you are wrong, and on a consistent basis. Cant wait to see what you attempt to forecast next..........

Soon you'll realise that both the UK and EU won... the governments that is. The normal folk on both sides are the ones that will be paying for it.