Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Barnfred 55]

There you go

Cheers mate. Thanks for posting that.

What I found interesting is that there were only 9 people on here who have viewed that attachment before me, even though it's been available on here for nearly 2 days. It shows me that there are not that many people on here actually interested in the black and white facts. But thanks, I'll make sure I read it fully when my head is a bit clearer

Can I just say I've read with interest various peoples views on who you actually are. You may in fact be a multi, a banned ex poster or just an absolute WUM or indeed a mix of all 3. Your "voted remain but now support brexit" mantra doesn't help. But I must say I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if you did turn out to be Frank. The Frank I knew wouldn't have had the foggiest idea where to even find this attachment, never mind being bothered to actually read it. lol

 

[The binman chronicles]

What is it with Remainers trying to prove that the EU ‘won’...is it because they got the referendum vote wrong, the General Election vote wrong, Boris to renegotiate the WA wrong and doing the FTA wrong. Lads have you not twigged this yet, you are wrong, and on a consistent basis. Cant wait to see what you attempt to forecast next..........

I like that we have a deal, it isn't a perfect deal by any means. The checks and delays that follow will be a hindrance for sure. We see how it goes from here. I would rather be wrong and the UK makes a success out of it rather than see it all burn. Problem is most leavers thought the opposite and didn't mind the chaos and decrease in living standards just so long as we didn't have freedom of movement.

 

[BlueDraka]

Cheers mate. Thanks for posting that.

What I found interesting is that there were only 9 people on here who have viewed that attachment before me, even though it's been available on here for nearly 2 days. It shows me that there are not that many people on here actually interested in the black and white facts. But thanks, I'll make sure I read it fully when my head is a bit clearer

Can I just say I've read with interest various peoples views on who you actually are. You may in fact be a multi, a banned ex poster or just an absolute WUM or indeed a mix of all 3. Your "voted remain but now support brexit" mantra doesn't help. But I must say I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if you did turn out to be Frank. The Frank I knew wouldn't have had the foggiest idea where to even find this attachment, never mind being bothered to actually read it. lol

It's good for reading just before you go to bed. You usually get to page 4.
I've been accused of being a few people. Frang, firefighter, and the latest is from anonymous who said he knows I'm John. Whoever they are. And I don't know what a WUM is
In the vote I did vote remain but not with any big I love the EU mantra. But this vote had caused a huge division. I'm still not 100% about leaving but we have left and for me, we need to get on with it. And tbh I know quite a few people who voted remain but now think we just needed to get on with leaving.
Anyway I hope you nd yr family are in good health now. A merry Christmas and a happy new year.
PS I await the middle finger

 

[JimmyJeffers]

It's good for reading just before you go to bed. You usually get to page 4.
I've been accused of being a few people. Frang, firefighter, and the latest is from anonymous who said he knows I'm John. Whoever they are. And I don't know what a WUM is
In the vote I did vote remain but not with any big I love the EU mantra. But this vote had caused a huge division. I'm still not 100% about leaving but we have left and for me, we need to get on with it. And tbh I know quite a few people who voted remain but now think we just needed to get on with leaving.
Anyway I hope you nd yr family are in good health now. A merry Christmas and a happy new year.
PS I await the middle finger

Stop lying please

 

[Tubey]

That's not the same and you know it. Again it comes down to the definition of compete.

If we are in a position where our GDP is growing at a faster rate than the EU block, and faster than individual EU countries like Germany, France Italy and Spain, I'd be happy and would argue we were competitive. I don't believe that is impossible.

Neither do I believe that it is impossible that we could go head to head with EU member states to compete for certain projects. Not saying we'll win them all but to say we couldn't even compete is an opinion, not a fact.

As I said, I'm having difficulty understanding what your interpretation of "competing" is.

Again, like saying if Leyton Orient in League One had more points than Man City in the Premier League, they're competing.

They're not, because they're literally not competing in the first instance.

"Competing" means "strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others". By that definition, we cannot compete with the EU - they're too big. As said, it's impossible. What you're doing is trying to say if you win the odd battle it's the same as being competitive in winning the war, which makes no sense.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I just don't have any faith in the Brits tbh, the bunch of weirdos

Do you live in Ireland mate? or are you one of the many that live and work in the UK?

The reason I'm asking is, from where I'm sitting, this is all positive from the Irish perspective, other than the NI unionists of course. I believe you have all made it clear in here that you see Ireland and the Irish as closer to the EU than to the UK. And I think it's fair to say that the EU, financial matters apart, have for many years seen the UK as a barrier to progress rather than a valued member. Our incessant whining and cryarsing, whether that be about budgets, joining the euro, concessions, CAP etc. have made us an absolute pain in the arse for the EU leadership for decades. Surely now that we are out, the EU will be able to move forward their numerous strategic policies pretty much as they please.

As regards the new FTA, it means that there won't be any tariffs or quotas with your biggest trading customer, and commercial and trading links to the EU mainland remain fully operational.

As regards Northern Ireland, well the WA terms surely bring the United Ireland issue one step closer.

Being part of the CTA means that the Irish have the benefit of free movement throughout both the EU and the UK

I'm struggling to find a downside tbh.

 

[ste d' indica]

The country doesn’t grow because of who is PM, the country will grow because of the people in our businesses and the technology and services that we provide

I don't know if you've heard, but there's a bit of a hurdle with this already.

 

[tsubaki]

What is it with Remainers trying to prove that the EU ‘won’...is it because they got the referendum vote wrong, the General Election vote wrong, Boris to renegotiate the WA wrong and doing the FTA wrong. Lads have you not twigged this yet, you are wrong, and on a consistent basis. Cant wait to see what you attempt to forecast next..........

A late entry in most hypocritical post of the year this.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Tubey]

There will obviously be a deal, but it's one that will be much worse than membership of the EU and will hurt our GDP by 3-5% as a reasonable estimate.

The EU won't back down on a level playing field, as that'd mean any EU member could just leave, go full on low regulation in a race to the bottom to attract foreign investment. It'd end the project. The Tories want to not have the level playing field, as they could then do just that - erode worker rights, go low tax for corps and skim off the top and make themselves billionaires.

The Brexiteer bedwetters will be getting what they want by January - a UK with a vastly reduced influence on the global stage, worse off economically with no realistic way of ever competing with our current peers on a financial setting ever again, but hey, at least the passports will be blue.

^ Still this.

Johnson getting a "deal" isn't an accomplishment; the UK were always going to bend over at the last second, because of how much we had to lose. Boris Johnson only cares about Boris Johnson; "no deal" wouldn't be a win for him, whereas he can paint a "deal" of any kind as one through spin.

What you're seeing about it being an "achievement" is propaganda. Compare and contrast the UK text on the deal to the EU - the UK goes on about "aspiration" and all that guff; the EU one has tangible facts in it. Both propaganda, but only one side has facts to back the propaganda up.

Something isn't an achievement if it were inevitable. The deal was as inevitable as night following day, it was just a matter of when it happened and how much the UK loses.

 

[BlueDraka]

Change how [Poor language removed] the deal is to how good the deal is and this would be the same outcome

 

[summerisle]

What is it with Remainers trying to prove that the EU ‘won’...is it because they got the referendum vote wrong, the General Election vote wrong, Boris to renegotiate the WA wrong and doing the FTA wrong. Lads have you not twigged this yet, you are wrong, and on a consistent basis. Cant wait to see what you attempt to forecast next..........

PM 'caved in' to EU on fish, says fishing industry chief

National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations says fisheries ‘were sacrificed’ to save trade deal

www.theguardian.com

 

[tsubaki]

^ Still this.

Johnson getting a "deal" isn't an accomplishment; the UK were always going to bend over at the last second, because of how much we had to lose. Boris Johnson only cares about Boris Johnson; "no deal" wouldn't be a win for him, whereas he can paint a "deal" of any kind as one through spin.

What you're seeing about it being an "achievement" is propaganda. Compare and contrast the UK text on the deal to the EU - the UK goes on about "aspiration" and all that guff; the EU one has tangible facts in it. Both propaganda, but only one side has facts to back the propaganda up.

Something isn't an achievement if it were inevitable. The deal was as inevitable as night following day, it was just a matter of when it happened and how much the UK loses.

Exactly. Anyone who thinks this is an achievement for the UK should look at what was leaked to Guido, in which they claimed they'd "won" 43% of the issues.

That was the standard of PR claim, that they'd basically won as much as Moyes did at Everton.

 

[BlueDraka]

^ Still this.

Johnson getting a "deal" isn't an accomplishment; the UK were always going to bend over at the last second, because of how much we had to lose. Boris Johnson only cares about Boris Johnson; "no deal" wouldn't be a win for him, whereas he can paint a "deal" of any kind as one through spin.

What you're seeing about it being an "achievement" is propaganda. Compare and contrast the UK text on the deal to the EU - the UK goes on about "aspiration" and all that guff; the EU one has tangible facts in it. Both propaganda, but only one side has facts to back the propaganda up.

Something isn't an achievement if it were inevitable. The deal was as inevitable as night following day, it was just a matter of when it happened and how much the UK loses.

As with everything to do with brexit everything is an estimate. Same as the lies told on both sides before the brexit vote
Leave camp: vote leave we get £350 million a week for the NHS
Remain camp. Vote remain. Or the economy will collapse. The city in London will be decimated

 

[Tubey]

Exactly. Anyone who thinks this is an achievement for the UK should look at what was leaked to Guido, in which they claimed they'd "won" 43% of the issues.

That was the standard of PR claim, that they'd basically won as much as Moyes did at Everton.

Which is ironic as we were on the winning side in 90% approx of all issues on the EU Council, because as a member we had influence.

As a "sovereign country", we don't.