Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Brennan]

The UK law mirrors the EU in 2020, its already been passed, as soon as we leave. It comes into play until.
On 31 Jan the UK version, comes into play legally it becomes law in the UK, and anybody collecting personal information in the UK will have to follow that and have representation in the UK.
Its more or less the current EU one but written into are law.
However, the UK-GDPR changes key areas of the law concerning national security, intelligence services and immigration.

It will become a race to the bottom.

We're seeking a US trade deal, they have very lax privacy protections. They will seek for us to loosen our own protections to increase profits for US businesses. We move from a position of strength as a member of the bloc to a position of weakness.

 

[gonetomorrow]

Well I don't know about safer but we may as well make the best of it.
I voted remain but I'm not going to spend the rest of time moaning.

Basil Fawlty said very much the same thing about the Common Market when the Germans invaded the hotel.

 

[edge]

It will become a race to the bottom.

We're seeking a US trade deal, they have very lax privacy protections. They will seek for us to loosen our own protections to increase profits for US businesses. We move from a position of strength as a member of the bloc to a position of weakness.

Why would we sign a deal that isn't in are interests ?
The USA has the UK as its biggest overseas investor, so it's not as easy as it seems to just to steam roll us.
In this case it will be written directly into are laws, as it near mirrors the EU one, and we will be doing business with them as well it will not be so easy to just give it up.
Biden has said they are looking to the homeland first before he enters any deals with the UK or the EU or anybody else, so unless he is lying it's not something that going to happen any time soon.
As a block the EU makes deals for all 27 members not, the best one for the UK or anybody else(other than Germany/France) in most cases.
A position of strength for a collective do not mean it's the best thing for the all the members,
If we want we can vote out the government, if it becomes as you say a race to the bottom.
It's in are hands, it's up to us what we do with it.
Only problem for me is i don't trust the current government to do the right thing .

 

[Jebus_lives]

Again, excellent news. That’s an additional 1 million cars a year to be assembled in the U.K., bringing employment and additional tax revenue to the U.K. giving a complete range of cars from the smallest Nissan up to a Rolls Royce.....where exactly is the downside to this.....

I'm starting to doubt if you have the faintest idea what you're talking about.

For a man that claims to have been a leading light in UK Industry and International trade, you really seem to have absolutely no grasp of it.

What does that mean? Safer from what? Poverty? Illness? Exploitive greedy employers? The NHS being sold off and private insurance replacing it? Homelessness?
Good luck with that.

He thinks the EU is making an army.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Why would we sign a deal that isn't in are interests ?

Because we lost the best deal available, people will see us as an easy touch as we need to replace that with something else.

 

[The binman chronicles]

If Boris hadn't boxed us right into a corner with he is the person to get brexit done we could have extended the agreement for another year. Yet here we are trying to face up to a shattered economy from covid + brexit.

Bunch of...

 

[Brennan]

Why would we sign a deal that isn't in are interests ?
The USA has the UK as its biggest overseas investor, so it's not as easy as it seems to just to steam roll us.
In this case it will be written directly into are laws, as it near mirrors the EU one, and we will be doing business with them as well it will not be so easy to just give it up.
Biden has said they are looking to the homeland first before he enters any deals with the UK or the EU or anybody else, so unless he is lying it's not something that going to happen any time soon.
As a block the EU makes deals for all 27 members not, the best one for the UK or anybody else(other than Germany/France) in most cases.
A position of strength for a collective do not mean it's the best thing for the all the members,
If we want we can vote out the government, if it becomes as you say a race to the bottom.
It's in are hands, it's up to us what we do with it.
Only problem for me is i don't trust the current government to do the right thing .

Depends on what you mean by 'we'.

I don't think it's in the interests of the Tory party or their donors to protect the privacy rights of the British public. They're all for deregulation in the name of economic growth.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Over the last 4 years I think it's fair to say that the UK have tried to make out that ongoing Brexit talks have been positive, whilst the narrative coming from the EU side has been generally negative.

However over the last few days I've noticed a switch in these positions with the EU being more positive on the talks and the UK playing them down.

Only this morning Von der Leyen has addressed the European Parliament saying we have found a way forward on most issues, and there is a path to agreement now. Just two issues remain outstanding and they are level playing field and fisheries. Ermm, hasn't that been pretty much the case for months?

Anyhow, I haven't the faintest clue how to read this apparent change in tact from both sides. Just more confused than ever really.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Depends on what you mean by 'we'.

I don't think it's in the interests of the Tory party or their donors to protect the privacy rights of the British public. They're all for deregulation in the name of economic growth.

Why then would they pass a bill protecting privacy? Genuine question.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Shuffling deck chairs while the Titanic is sinking said Hornby boss.

"We as a country, we're shuffling the deck chairs as the Titanic is sinking. People who are having these talks just don't understand how the real world operates. They think at the last minute they can come up with a solution. People are going to be losing jobs."

Brexit: Hornby stops non-UK orders due to price confusion

The model train maker says it's in a difficult position and has paused all international orders until January 2021.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Sy-]

Over the last 4 years I think it's fair to say that the UK have tried to make out that ongoing Brexit talks have been positive, whilst the narrative coming from the EU side has been generally negative.

However over the last few days I've noticed a switch in these positions with the EU being more positive on the talks and the UK playing them down.

Only this morning Von der Leyen has addressed the European Parliament saying we have found a way forward on most issues, and there is a path to agreement now. Just two issues remain outstanding and they are level playing field and fisheries. Ermm, hasn't that been pretty much the case for months?

Anyhow, I haven't the faintest clue how to read this apparent change in tact from both sides. Just more confused than ever really.

I wonder if it's the EU pooping their pants at the end of a game of chicken? I also read somewhere that if a no deal looks likely then FRA and DEU will break ranks and wade in?

Not gonna lie, the "prepare for no deal" shout a few days ago is starting to feel a bit like a football agent fabricating last minute interest from another club.

Trying to get informed about any of this without doom and gloom tory bashers polluting any kind of news stream has been damn near impossible. For a casual reader the EU are apparently some kind of morally angelic powerhouse and the UK are some kind of economical minnow with no leverage whatsoever... oh and also for some reason an international embarrassment.

 

[Brennan]

Why then would they pass a bill protecting privacy? Genuine question.

If you mean the 2018 Data Protection Act, it wasn't because the Tory party cares about privacy rights. They had to introduce a bill due to the passing of GDPR while they were still members of the EU. It was also an attempt to prove they were aligned to the EU despite Brexit. Now that we are leaving and very possibly without a good deal there's less incentive for them to maintain these protections.

Dominic Cummings was at the heart of government until very recently and he's all for farming out privacy to tech firms in the name of economic growth.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I wonder if it's the EU pooping their pants at the end of a game of chicken? I also read somewhere that if a no deal looks likely then FRA and DEU will break ranks and wade in?

Not gonna lie, the "prepare for no deal" shout a few days ago is starting to feel a bit like a football agent fabricating last minute interest from another club.

Trying to get informed about any of this without doom and gloom tory bashers polluting any kind of news stream has been damn near impossible. For a casual reader the EU are apparently some kind of morally angelic powerhouse and the UK are some kind of economical minnow with no leverage whatsoever... oh and also for some reason an international embarrassment.

Yeah. Agree with a lot of that, but to balance your argument you also have the Brexit supporting press acting like this is world war 3. I'm sick of all this winning and losing rhetoric tbh. It should just be about getting a deal which all parties desperately need. But you know that whatever happens, both sides will claim victory.

If we leave on WTO terms, Leavers will say that it was the EUs fault and we are better off out of it. Remainers will say I told you so and a FTA was always a pipedream. If we get a deal, Leavers will say it was a victory for Boris and that the EU caved in. Remainers will say Boris sold out the fishermen or something similar.

We are, and will be for a very long time, very much a divided country. Whatever the economic fallout from Brexit I think it's this division that will have the longer lasting effect on our society.

 

[Barnfred 55]

If you mean the 2018 Data Protection Act, it wasn't because the Tory party cares about privacy rights. They had to introduce a bill due to the passing of GDPR while they were still members of the EU. It was also an attempt to prove they were aligned to the EU despite Brexit. Now that we are leaving and very possibly without a good deal there's less incentive for them to maintain these protections.

Dominic Cummings was at the heart of government until very recently and he's all for farming out privacy to tech firms in the name of economic growth.

So if you are right they will introduce a new Data Protection Act so they can do what they want. Until they do I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

 

[BlueDraka]

Shuffling deck chairs while the Titanic is sinking said Hornby boss.

"We as a country, we're shuffling the deck chairs as the Titanic is sinking. People who are having these talks just don't understand how the real world operates. They think at the last minute they can come up with a solution. People are going to be losing jobs."

Brexit: Hornby stops non-UK orders due to price confusion

The model train maker says it's in a difficult position and has paused all international orders until January 2021.

www.bbc.co.uk

This is a company that makes everything in China. Other bosses later in that article are pretty relaxed. But always the bad news with the bbc first as usual