Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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peteblue said:
Having been a member for half a century, having exactly the same standards and laws, and the U.K. being the EU’s largest market, it was a rational view that a deal should have been an easy deal. Ask yourself why it hasn’t been. The U.K. would have been happy with a really good deal for both parties or even just a deal similar to that given to Canada. But no, the EU is terrified of a U.K. liberated from the shackles of the EU.


We will be saying goodbye to the red tape, even though the EU is fighting tooth and nail to keep us within their laws and bureaucracy. I have no problem with no matter how many customs agents we will employ as I expect our international trade to grow in a way that was impossible within the slow moving 27 veto, glacial protectionist bloc.


But it is true that we will save billions on membership fees and other costs. What it gets spent on is up to the government. The Pandemic is not the fault of Brexit, nor would being within the EU have helped. The EU still haven’t approved the Covid vaccine nor have they agreed the Covid bale out payments.


Until we finally leave the current arrangements you don’t know this.


I‘m glad because the first bit hasn’t convinced me.


The EU is not the largest economy and is a reducing market within the global marketplace. We will still trade, for no other reason than we are the EU’s biggest trading partner and the EU has an £80Bn trading surplus with us. In respect of ‘our freedom to work in the EU’, approximately how many U.K. nationals, out of our 66 million, have regular part time or full time employment within the Bloc ? When we trade with any country there are always rules and regulations if you wish to sell to them. If we increase our standards in whatever sector, the EU will have to meet those standards, without having a vote, if they wish to trade. This ‘we have to follow their rules’ guff is no different to trading anywhere in the world.


Can you tell me who is worse off than five years ago. The U.K. has standards and rights certainly no lower than the EU and as a grown up country, having done this before, we have no need to be protected by EU law, U.K. law is fine, just as the USA think USA law is fine.


Fishing and control of our waters is merely an important part of being a Sovereign country. Every country on the planet does it. No one gives up control of their own waters, or land, or airspace. Britannia does not rule the waves and nor do we want or need to. It only seems to be Remainers who keep harping on about this or even Empire. It’s history. What bigger businesses have gone to the wall due to Brexit ?


Yes. We become a sovereign nation again, responsible for voting in our Leaders and have a regular vote if we don’t like the way they are taking the country. You may or may not have voted for Boris, but the U.K. did and the U.K. can remove him. No citizen in the EU voted for VDL as President, and nor will they get that vote. If they don’t like her, tough. No one voted for ‘ever closer Union‘, votes that have taken place but the result not liked by Brussels have been forced to vote again. The Democratic process was a key driver for myself. In terms of U.K. GDP, the EU is less than 10% and diminishing every year. Of course it is still a big market, as we are to them, but I want to see the U.K. get back out into the world and strike up FTA’s quickly and not have a permanently compromised agreement because of the demands of the other 27, and the twenty odd years everything seems to take.


And this is a common failing of remainers, a fear of striking out and re-engaging with the world. The EU is not the be all and end all. I judge my friends by what they do and as is becoming ever more evident, we have more friends around the world than we do in Europe. Europe screwed us on the way in, they screwed us on the way out, and they would screw us again if the country was ever foolish enough to rejoin this failing project....


It will not be a disaster, the U.K. will get past it and prosper. We will re-forge old links with friends and develop new ones, and we will do it on our own, without having 27 anchors tied to our legs......
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If the economic benefits ever outweigh EU membership, and that is a big if, it will take decades and decades to realise such an advantage.

And all through that time we will be poorer.

A lot of us won't be here to see Brexit possibly make Britain a better and richer place to live.
 
Hickson9 said:
If the economic benefits ever outweigh EU membership, and that is a big if, it will take decades and decades to realise such an advantage.

And all through that time we will be poorer.

A lot of us won't be here to see Brexit possibly make Britain a better and richer place to live.
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Possibly, but safer.....
 
Brennan said:
www.theverge.com

Facebook’s UK users will lose EU privacy protections next year

The move will affect Instagram and WhatsApp users as well
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

Who doesn’t want to have less privacy ? :oops:
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The UK law mirrors the EU in 2020, its already been passed, as soon as we leave. It comes into play until.
On 31 Jan the UK version, comes into play legally it becomes law in the UK, and anybody collecting personal information in the UK will have to follow that and have representation in the UK.
Its more or less the current EU one but written into are law.
However, the UK-GDPR changes key areas of the law concerning national security, intelligence services and immigration.
 
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