Current Affairs EU In or Out

[cronullasharks]

In that case you don't understand the Tory voter. Unless they had a personal fetish for chickens and that put them off for life, then they wouldn't concern themselves with the right or wrong of the situation.

I'm just amazed an actual party that is in power puts that rubbish out. But then again look at the stupid prick in charge of the USA and it shouldn't surprise me.

 

[Kurt.]

Only tories and Horses

 

[Barnfred 55]

A new index finds neglect in Britain’s banlieues

There is a strong association between a neighbourhood’s position on the new index and its support for Brexit

www.economist.com

Huge correlation between poverty and voting leave.

Very eye opening article Bruce.

I've come across neglected area's like these all too frequently. Especially in small seaside towns, in many of them the only signs of recent development has been the building of supermarkets, which itself has a detrimental effect on local retailers. Sad to see.

 

[arminisgod]

Wtf ? I know little of uk politics but that alone would be enough to never ever vote tory

get a grip.. it's a bit of fun.

 

[trueblue84]

Wtf ? I know little of uk politics but that alone would be enough to never ever vote tory

I love that the Tories think that KFC is an actual chicken.

 

[summerisle]

get a grip.. it's a bit of fun.

I would, if it was funny.

 

[cronullasharks]

get a grip.. it's a bit of fun.

Ok mate x

 

[The binman chronicles]

get a grip.. it's a bit of fun.

It is much more than a bit of fun, again the tories are trying to ram home an untruth. They put it out there that Labour are scared of a GE instead of trying to block a default no deal Brexit. The problem with social media is most people swallow the lies.

 

[dholliday]

Do we know who is bank rolling Gina Miller?

George Soros.

No really, it's Soros.

 

[Ruairi77]

Man, yesterday Johnson was stood in front of a bunch of cops, today the official Tory account is tweeting bad personal memes. It's concerning that they've picked the worst administration in modern times to emulate. If you strip away the stiff upper lip manners from the conservatives, you're really just left with UKIP.

 

[Brisan123]

I don't think they hate us. I don't think they're evil.

But from the outside it doesn't appear they have been willing to do any real negotiating.

I must clarify here that I absolutely respect they have no reason to. They aren't the ones leaving. They didn't want us to leave. They hold the cards. I get it.

But simultaneously, the UK have voted to leave and the EU is a mess. It is being propped up by Germany and, to a lesser extent, France. There's a huge problem with rising right-wing nationalists in most of the major western states now, it seems. They have several countries on the verge of recession.

Surely, given the situation everybody is in, it would be better for them to have a deal with us that makes some concessions, but still gives them what they want in terms of money and trade?

I'm not saying the UK should come out of this as glorious winners. I just feel like there's been no active working towards a deal from either side. And given the mess both sides are in, that seems strange.

But what do I know? Genuinely, my political knowledge is limited. I'm just putting it as I see it.

I don't trust the top dogs in the EU as much as I don't trust our government, though. Nothing over the course of the last three years has made me change my mind and think it's an organisation I'd have liked us to join in the state its currently in. And that's how I decided (maybe wrongly) to vote leave three years ago. I went into that ballot box not knowing which box to tick. I took my time and decided if it was a referendum to join it, then I don't think I'd vote in.

I don't think any member of the public should be made to feel bad for their vote, either way. We weren't informed enough of the strengths of the EU by Remain, who simply focused on ridiculing Leave's arguments. Well, look how that turned out. Look how it turned out in the US with Trump. Focusing on negatives doesn't work, and so for all the crying of 'lies' from Leave's side, it's Remain's arrogance that got us into this position in the first place.

And I go back to the point that if politicans had simply looked to work together over the past three years, rather than this ludicrous in-fighting, we'd be in a much stronger position.

But from the outside it doesn't appear they have been willing to do any real negotiating.

They did negotiate though
They negotiated a deal with May and she and her advisers agreed to it.
If May could not get the agreement through Parliament that is hardly the EU's fault

 

[Brisan123]

Also, whenever the GE rolls around, I'm not voting.

I don't want to have to take the blame when others don't get what they want. I'm fed up of that. Want no part in it.

That goes against everything I believe in, as I think you should always use your right to vote. But there's nothing I believe in enough to vote for.

I look on it as an obligation and a duty to vote,not a right to vote

 

[Brisan123]

I’d hoped that we leave in October, then get back to normality, but those 21 MP’s and Corbyn just want it to continue, Corbyn is now too scared to even have a GE having demanded one every day for a few years now.....

It may be a completely different type of normality though

 

[graham74]

To be honest mate I've never thought about it. I suppose it's just that I consider myself British, rather than English. Whenever I'm asked to fill in a paper application that asks for your nationality, without thinking I put British. I have a British passport, not an English one. I get emotional when I hear bagpipes playing. I guess I'm just traditional. It's more to do with emotions rather than reason.

Having said that I do believe that people have a right to determine their own future, within reason of course. Scotland, NI and Wales have the right to hold periodical referendums on independence if they wish to. Scotland had one in 2014 and I would normally say another one now is too early. But should we leave the EU my view is that is sufficient reason to expedite another one.

If the vote is for Scotland, or indeed for NI or Wales, to leave, then that democratic vote should be respected. What happens next I have no idea. Negotiations would presumably then start and we would end up with our own mini version of Brexit. In fact it could arguably be worse than Brexit because, as far as I'm aware, there's no set procedure to follow. What would happen if we ended up with a no deal situation?. Would Scotland be kicked out of the CTA and Hadrian's wall rebuilt?lol

Obviously I jest, but I do fear that the dynamics of facilitating Scottish independence could well turn out to be just as complicated as Brexit has.

Yeah totally agree with you. If Scotland is allowed back into Europe, I can only envisage years of negotiation and hard borders, may well make Brexit look like childs play. I do 100% think it will happen though along with the reunification of Ireland. If nothing else, interesting times

 

[Ruairi77]

Yeah totally agree with you. If Scotland is allowed back into Europe, I can only envisage years of negotiation and hard borders, may well make Brexit look like childs play. I do 100% think it will happen though along with the reunification of Ireland. If nothing else, interesting times

If/when the UK leaves the EU, the Scots would do well to learn from this mess and lay out exactly how leaving the UK would work (borders, movement etc.) before holding a referendum!