davek
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What a defeated rabble they are.
FFS, that must play to an audience from 1981. It's like watching Life on Mars.
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What a defeated rabble they are.
FFS, that must play to an audience from 1981. It's like watching Life on Mars.
it's a whole thing. Madness!
davek
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Why would a LP member find that funny?....
davek
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"An ICM poll suggests that support for the Brexit party would double from 9 per cent to 18 per cent if an election takes place after Halloween.
The poll, commissioned by Represent Us — which is pushing for a second Brexit referendum — found the Conservatives’ lead over Labour would evaporate in those circumstances.
The ICM poll suggests the Tories would beat Labour by 37 per cent against 30 per cent in an October election, while the two parties would be neck and neck on 28 per cent in a November poll."
FWIW.
The poll, commissioned by Represent Us — which is pushing for a second Brexit referendum — found the Conservatives’ lead over Labour would evaporate in those circumstances.
The ICM poll suggests the Tories would beat Labour by 37 per cent against 30 per cent in an October election, while the two parties would be neck and neck on 28 per cent in a November poll."
FWIW.
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I don't understand the oppositions thinking on this general election business. Hear me out before jumping down my throat.
It's now becoming clear what the strategy behind Boris Johnson is, and probably has been since he first became PM. And that is to lead the Tories into a GE asap, and to do so as the champion of the Leave vote. Everything he's done, from the pledges he has made to deprived labour voting area's, the police and the health service, to going to European leaders to get an agreement to relook at the WA based on new and seemingly imaginary alternatives to the backstop, to proroguing parliament to force the opposition to bring the no deal bill through much quicker than they wanted, to getting rid of Tory MPs that voted against Brexit, to proposing a GE to put the Brexit question back to the people.
The opposition abstained, but effectively by doing so, voted down the first govt bill calling for a GE on Oct 14th. I can understand this because the no deal bill hasn't been made law yet. But they have also said they intend to go against the second bill being brought on Monday, by which stage the no deal bill should have been made law. So the statute they need to stop no deal and request an extension is in place. Part of UK law. Fears over Johnson changing the GE date to after October 31st can easily be erased by adding an amendment to the bill saying that the date if the 14th can't be changed.
For me, there is no valid reason for refusing this second GE bill, other than the oppositions desire for Johnson to go to the EU and request an extension. Which he will do. He may be saying now that he won't but that's all part of the plan. He has to go. It's the law. FFS he wants to go. Because it gives him the biggest stage possible to show that this has been forced upon him by Corbyn. Johnson's not bothered about eating humbled pie. He's so thick skinned he doesn't even know what it is.
Have you not noticed how he has been building up the rhetoric with Corbyn. He isn't bothered about SNP or LibDems, or Greens, all of who are much bigger supporters of remain that Corbyn. No, he's going after Corbyn, and it's because he knows that Labour are the most vulnerable with a GE and that they have the most to lose. By making Corbyn the architect of forcing the Brexit extension on him just as he was on the cusp of agreeing a new deal with the EU
. By doing so he is making a direct play for the Brexit voters that dominate over two thirds of labour held seats.
Bottom line here is that Johnson wants to go to the EU to ask for an extension. It is so easy to show the world it has been forced on him against his will, plus will also conveniently sidestep the matter of the backstop proposals. Putting the blame for the extension firmly at the feet of Labour will likely increase the number of Labour voters who will put leave at the top of their voting requirements, and whilst they may not vote Tory many more will probably vote for the BP.
It's now becoming clear what the strategy behind Boris Johnson is, and probably has been since he first became PM. And that is to lead the Tories into a GE asap, and to do so as the champion of the Leave vote. Everything he's done, from the pledges he has made to deprived labour voting area's, the police and the health service, to going to European leaders to get an agreement to relook at the WA based on new and seemingly imaginary alternatives to the backstop, to proroguing parliament to force the opposition to bring the no deal bill through much quicker than they wanted, to getting rid of Tory MPs that voted against Brexit, to proposing a GE to put the Brexit question back to the people.
The opposition abstained, but effectively by doing so, voted down the first govt bill calling for a GE on Oct 14th. I can understand this because the no deal bill hasn't been made law yet. But they have also said they intend to go against the second bill being brought on Monday, by which stage the no deal bill should have been made law. So the statute they need to stop no deal and request an extension is in place. Part of UK law. Fears over Johnson changing the GE date to after October 31st can easily be erased by adding an amendment to the bill saying that the date if the 14th can't be changed.
For me, there is no valid reason for refusing this second GE bill, other than the oppositions desire for Johnson to go to the EU and request an extension. Which he will do. He may be saying now that he won't but that's all part of the plan. He has to go. It's the law. FFS he wants to go. Because it gives him the biggest stage possible to show that this has been forced upon him by Corbyn. Johnson's not bothered about eating humbled pie. He's so thick skinned he doesn't even know what it is.
Have you not noticed how he has been building up the rhetoric with Corbyn. He isn't bothered about SNP or LibDems, or Greens, all of who are much bigger supporters of remain that Corbyn. No, he's going after Corbyn, and it's because he knows that Labour are the most vulnerable with a GE and that they have the most to lose. By making Corbyn the architect of forcing the Brexit extension on him just as he was on the cusp of agreeing a new deal with the EU
. By doing so he is making a direct play for the Brexit voters that dominate over two thirds of labour held seats.Bottom line here is that Johnson wants to go to the EU to ask for an extension. It is so easy to show the world it has been forced on him against his will, plus will also conveniently sidestep the matter of the backstop proposals. Putting the blame for the extension firmly at the feet of Labour will likely increase the number of Labour voters who will put leave at the top of their voting requirements, and whilst they may not vote Tory many more will probably vote for the BP.
If Britain stays in the EU you might vanish off this forum.
That would be a major benefit for most lads on here
roydo
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He cant hear you mate.
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That won't happen with the SNP in charge. They were prepared to take them out in 2014 knowing that continued membership of the EU was far from certain. In fact they were ignoring many experts opinions that they would have to reapply under article 49. In fact I don't even think that was in question. The unknown was how long they would need to wait and whether their application would be fast tracked. But they still campaigned on the premise they would have continued membership. Ha ha. Sounds like Brexit.
No. After this Brexit debacle, any sensible party would negotiate the terms of leaving first and then put it to the people, rather than the other way around. Mind you, had we done that with Brexit we'd still be waiting to have the referendum.lol
summerisle
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We haven't left yet, so they've been overcharging 20p a pint, and anyway, there are no tariffs on beer.
davek
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I dont even think the knuckle draggers it's aimed at will find it persuasive.
This Tory Party now are like the rabble who were in charge of that party during the early Blair years: completely out of touch with anything resembling progressive. They might be gambling that the pendulum has swung back that way, but I dont think it has. Not that far anyway.
davek
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We haven't left yet, so they've been overcharging 20p a pint, and anyway, there are no tariffs on beer.
One of the bug bears of this Brexit politcs era: flotsam and jetsam like him being given credibility as a commentator on what's best for the nation.
Just flog your ale and fish and chips and belt up, you burst-cushion headed bell end.
Charlie Sweet
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It's really not funny though. First he does want an election so they are peddling a lie. Second it's a new low even for the Tories. Where does it end?!
tsubaki
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I think, had you put Mays WA to the people you would be out of the EU now.
The SNP were prepared to take the Scots out of the UK and possibly the EU but I doubt even they, in 2014, thought the UK would make such a mess of leaving the EU that hard borders would be required.
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