Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Jebus_lives]

Of course, I haven't said I want no deal.

That's not the point I was making.

It has been three years or cry arsing. Not just about no deal. About leaving, or not leaving, or a second referendum. Three years. And we've gone nowhere in either direction.

I'm not sure wishing for a storm, which has caused deaths and no amount of devastation across the Bahamas, to fall on London, is the answer.

 

[Aberblue]

I don't think any member of the public should be made to feel bad for their vote, either way. We weren't informed enough of the strengths of the EU by Remain, who simply focused on ridiculing Leave's arguments. Well, look how that turned out. Look how it turned out in the US with Trump. Focusing on negatives doesn't work.

Absolutely 100% correct.

 

[Kenshin]

Genuine point here.

Have you noticed on the whole that either you want to remain or you are wrong?

It's quite incredible really, almost like you aren't allowed anymore to have an opposing opinion. So say you want to remain or get attacked on whatever platform you are on.

And it's not just that either. People who voted leave did so under false information, didn't know what they voted for, lied to , voted with an agenda etc. Why is this the case? Leave voters aren't coming out and saying all of this, the remain voters are. They are determining that in no way did they really lose the vote for X number of reasons.

Whether you want to leave or stay, these whole attitudes from remain voters are toxic. Strikes similar to America in all honesty, the whole country didn't want trump yet he won. Again, remain is the sensible option and yet people voted leave.

It isn't dismissing an opinion, it's the losing opinion saying it's wrong. That is it in a nutshell.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Genuine point here.

Have you noticed on the whole that either you want to remain or you are wrong?

It's quite incredible really, almost like you aren't allowed anymore to have an opposing opinion. So say you want to remain or get attacked on whatever platform you are on.

And it's not just that either. People who voted leave did so under false information, didn't know what they voted for, lied to , voted with an agenda etc. Why is this the case? Leave voters aren't coming out and saying all of this, the remain voters are. They are determining that in no way did they really lose the vote for X number of reasons.

Whether you want to leave or stay, these whole attitudes from remain voters are toxic. Strikes similar to America in all honesty, the whole country didn't want trump yet he won. Again, remain is the sensible option and yet people voted leave.

It isn't dismissing an opinion, it's the losing opinion saying it's wrong. That is it in a nutshell.

Are you normally making inauthentic points?

 

[BlueToff]

So...I'm feeling hopeful this morning.

I believe No Deal on 31st October is now off the agenda.

I believe a General Election is certain.

Surely, I hope, a GE campaign will force the Tories/Brexit Leave side to offer facts and hard evidence?

The referendum was won by lies and false promises. Surely this time will be better?

Can Johnson go into a GE advocating No Deal? I am not sure he can - but what does he say?

Without No Deal purity the rancid Brexit Party will snap at his heals.

The overall outcome for me is now really uncertain though.

I think we can assume:

Scotland - masssive SNP, Lib Dem, Labour
Remain majority

London - massive Labour sweep with a couple of Lib Dems

But after that:

Tory shires - how does the interplay between Tories and Brexit work? Aside from the poor East of England where there is no Lib Dems I am half curious to see what happens say in ripe blue Berkshire or Buckinghamshire where the Tories and BP go head to head? There's no Labour party so does Remain coalesce around Lib Dems? I doubt it gets close but interesting

South West and South Coast - certain tracts now safe Lib Dem areas? In urban parts does it end up as a huge 4 way marginal?

North West and North East - does the Lib Dem and Labour battle give a route to the Brexit Party to feature strongly?

Yorkshire - Tory strongholds fighting with the BP. Opportunities for Labour or Lib Dems or probs neither

Midlands - toss of a coin?

Northern Ireland - do nationalists abandon SF to give a voice to SDLP and Alliance?

Interesting times.

I'm from Wakefield. The constituency I'm in - and the area in general - voted leave (https://www.theguardian.com/politic...un/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis)

The consituency also voted Labour in the 2017 GE. It's a Labour stronghold, not a Tory one (look at the map in the link - west and south yorkshire are all Labour).

Results of the 2017 General Election

Up to the minute results in the 2017 General Election from BBC News

www.bbc.co.uk

Then in 2019, the Brexit Party swept up.

That's because pretty much all the Labour voters in my area will have gone over to Brexit Party. Because Labour voters, on the whole, voted out.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I know mate, I saw that too.

So what does it say? He's voted generally for it and generally against it? So he's in the middle?

Shows he is reformer, perfectly reasonable point of view, accepts the UK role in the EU, however, is a critic, many people are who voted remain are of the same view point.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Fair enough, Bruce, you know more than me.

I do find it interesting that we have had hardly any coverage - mainly because we're so obsessed with Brexit here - about the riots in France.

Still ongoing as far as I know, though not as regular as they were earlier in the year?

For sure, I wouldn't say we're out of the woods at all, merely that there was a strong concern that Brexit would result in the lunatics taking over the asylum across Europe. Thankfully, it's been contained here.

 

[Hawhaw]

I don't think any member of the public should be made to feel bad for their vote, either way. We weren't informed enough of the strengths of the EU by Remain, who simply focused on ridiculing Leave's arguments. Well, look how that turned out. Look how it turned out in the US with Trump. Focusing on negatives doesn't work.

Absolutely 100% correct.

There are no strengths of remaining, the remain campaign is based on bullying, belittling voters, talking down and patting the other side on the head.


That’s why when the referendum took place; there was no positive messages, just threats and intimidation on why we should stay part of a European project.

I’ve still to this day not been told one tangible benefit of remaining in the EU.

 

[BlueToff]

Shows he is reformer, perfectly reasonable point of view, accepts the UK role in the EU, however, is a critic, many people are who voted remain are of the same view point.

I think the main thing with Corbyn is that it's clear if he wanted the country to be as socialist as he is - i.e. introduce his policies, he'd have to be out of the EU as a general rule of thumb, but would want the right deal. I see no problem with that.

I believed in him in 2017. I believed he was the right man to do that.

Now, I don't.

 

[BlueToff]

There are no strengths of remaining, the remain campaign is based on bullying, belittling voters, talking down and patting the other side on the head.


That’s why when the referendum took place; there was no positive messages, just threats and intimidation on why we should stay part of a European project.

I’ve still to this day not been told one tangible benefit of remaining in the EU.

Not sure why that's not quoted me

Edit: Ah, I get it now.

 

[edge]

As one of the few leave voters who makes a bit sense I hear what you’re saying but not sure what labour should, or could have done any different. What would you have preferred?

Nothing diffrent last night that was a boris sideshow.
Going forward while we are in this flux take leadership of the situation , get a cross party group working on a soft brexit deal, the likes of Clark on board, even if it dosnt work out looks like they are trying to get the country united.
I would call Johnson bluff after a few weeks, that paint it as a party working to unite the uk agaist one of hard right.
One big thing i would do is get across they are listening to people like in sunderland and not just giveing them the feeling that they dont care about there conserns and what they going to do about changing those condisions that brought about the EU vote in the referendum, without that they are not going to get in power.
All out war on the libs ,use the fact they have never accepted the referendum result agaist them paint them as middle class tory light ,there record with the tories, student loans ect.
I would get a few northern faces and jocks welsh ect more out there as the party looks to north london centric and that doesnt play well outside of urban areas.
If i was being ruthless i would ask corbyn to stand aside as leader as he is an easy target(made a really good speach in salford the other day,i was impressed with him, media nothing,enemy of the nation ect)
Well thats my wish list ,in reality i havnt a clue what they will do.

 

[Kenshin]

Are you normally making inauthentic points?

No I'm not trying to stir up an argument is what I meant. I'm not attacking any other poster on here in a passive aggressive way.


I just genuinely think that is the case, you aren't allowed to disagree with the losing opinion.

 

[BlueToff]

I'm not sure wishing for a storm, which has caused deaths and no amount of devastation across the Bahamas, to fall on London, is the answer.

It was a flippant remark and I apologise.

Metaphorically, I'd like people to realise that there are much bigger issues to protest than they have been doing for the past three years.

I am not on about no deal here. But that hasn't been the main thing people have been cry arsing about for 3 years.

 

[Xizor]

I just genuinely think that is the case, you aren't allowed to disagree with the losing opinion.

Allowed by who? This seems an awfully snowflakey attitude.

If you want to espouse an opinion in public, then don't be surprised when people comment, criticise or argue the inverse.

 

[Hawhaw]

Allowed by who? This seems an awfully snowflakey attitude.

If you want to espouse an opinion in public, then don't be surprised when people comment, criticise or argue the inverse.

Hi mate, can you tell me one benefit of remaining in the Eu