Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Can anyone tell me a benefit of remaining in the Eu? Just one is fine.
The UK does disproportionately well out of the EU science budget - we received approx 9 billion in research grants in the last 5 yr phase and contributed approx 5 billion. This is because research grants are awarded on a competitive basis, and we are good.

So the EU is indisputably good for UK science, one of the most fundamental parts of our economy with a sphere of influence way, way bigger than its (substantial) GDP contributions - e.g. science is the basic enabling language of everything, educates the population etc.
 
The UK does disproportionately well out of the EU science budget - we received approx 9 billion in research grants in the last 5 yr phase and contributed approx 5 billion. This is because research grants are awarded on a competitive basis, and we are good.

So the EU is indisputably good for UK science, one of the most fundamental parts of our economy with a sphere of influence way, way bigger than its (substantial) GDP contributions - e.g. science is the basic enabling language of everything, educates the population etc.

So basically a rebate of our own money?
 
As someone who voted leave, I can think of a fair few.

- Trade/single market
- Free movement

Two big ones there.

The issue is some like to act that both of the above will be impossible to achieve if we leave. That simply isn't the case.

Again, I ain't talking about No Deal here. That's not what anyone should want.
Free movement isn't a good thing, we need a points system like Australia has.

Trade/Single market - The EU need to have easy frictionless trade with us, any delays to moving goods in and out of the UK hurts them more than us you can argue, there is a trade deficit of 64bn a year with the EU.
 
Well what is it? The only options proposed at present time is, anex Ulster or keep the UK fully in the customs union.

Leaving with no deal is the wise alternative.


Point of information, Mr. Joyce.

One third of “Ulster” has already been “annexed” by the evil empire.

I’m just sayin’.... :)
 
As someone who voted leave, I can think of a fair few.

- Trade/single market
- Free movement

Two big ones there.

The issue is some like to act that both of the above will be impossible to achieve if we leave. That simply isn't the case.

Again, I ain't talking about No Deal here. That's not what anyone should want.

No offence, but have you only just started to pay attention to all this?

You're right, there is no reason on paper why Brexit couldn't include continued access to the single market - free movement, single-market access, and membership of the customs union remain part of Labour's perfectly sensible compromise position, with the caveat that any agreement Labour reaches with the EU will require ratification by a popular vote.

And initially, as many here have documented, the leading Leave figures - David Davies, Nigel Farage, Rees-Mogg - all insisted that they too sought a close relationship with the EU along these lines.

Since then, however, Brexit has been redefined from a plausible if debatably useful compromise to economically suicidal extremism based on nothing more than half-hearted lies, bravado and fantasy. This has been extensively documented here, hundreds of times, by dozens of different posters with a wide range of views on the EU. Claiming that this is nothing but 'Project Fear' or whatever is at this point disqualifyingly ignorant and lazy.

And the reason for this has nothing to do with very online remainers (an admittedly obnoxious bunch), and everything to do with the Leave ultras who've commandeered the Conservative party, such that anything short of No Deal Brexit is now tantamount to treason. You are picking the right fight, but with the wrong people.

I don't understand why you have suddenly soured on Corbyn. It may be that you misunderstand what his position actually is (which would not be surprising given the very obvious concerted media effort to distort what he says and represents). But, speaking as dispassionately as possible, it remains the case that Labour's position (which has not substantially changed since 2017) seems to best reflect what you seem to think you want from Brexit.

As an aside, I have always enjoyed your comments on Everton, which are far more logic- and evidence-based than most of the mindless slop that gets conjured up on football forums. So it is a bit surprising to see you spouting such strong opinions here on matters which even you admit you don't really understand very well - and it shows. The @BlueToff I've admired on the Everton forum would be rightfully taking the piss out of many of your more emotional comments in this forum.
 
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