Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Not exactly correct. In Switzerland they hold them on a fairly regular basis and their system seems to work fine.
The problem comes when the political and social elite who run the country don't like or agree with the result of the referendum.

I don't like the 'elite' argument.

There's just as many elites who want out. I don't see why this gets brought up.

The main issue is simply not having a plan and the MPs who wanted to remain and the MPs who wanted to leave being unable to put aside their differences in order to formulate one in the three years they've had.
 
I think that’s a good descriptor for the 21. In terms of what happens now, we will be having a GE unless Corbyn chickens out, which I think he will. So it’s the quickest surrender to the EU we have ever seen......

Once no deal is gone, we can have as many general elections as you like. Corbyn stated this well before Johnson started with this general election malarkey.
 
If remain had won the referendum does anyone actually think and believe we would still be discussing it over three years later and with the misery & turmoil it has created?
No. Neither do I...

Pretty sure Farage just before the results when he thought leave had lost said he would fight for a new referendum if the vote was close.
 
Pretty sure Farage just before the results when he thought leave had lost said he would fight for a new referendum if the vote was close.

Yes he did. And it's recorded hypocrisy of Farage. Had leave lost by the same margin they would most certainly be banging on about it... Majority majority majority, the bigger that majority is, the more you silence your opponents.
 
You're making the mistake that those in the EU hate us. Everyone I've spoken to has their head in their hands at the sheer state of the government. I mean they despaired enough about the result in the first place, but the way the government has responded to it has them shaking their heads, not rubbing their hands.

I don't think they hate us. I don't think they're evil.

But from the outside it doesn't appear they have been willing to do any real negotiating.

I must clarify here that I absolutely respect they have no reason to. They aren't the ones leaving. They didn't want us to leave. They hold the cards. I get it.

But simultaneously, the UK have voted to leave and the EU is a mess. It is being propped up by Germany and, to a lesser extent, France. There's a huge problem with rising right-wing nationalists in most of the major western states now, it seems. They have several countries on the verge of recession.

Surely, given the situation everybody is in, it would be better for them to have a deal with us that makes some concessions, but still gives them what they want in terms of money and trade?

I'm not saying the UK should come out of this as glorious winners. I just feel like there's been no active working towards a deal from either side. And given the mess both sides are in, that seems strange.

But what do I know? Genuinely, my political knowledge is limited. I'm just putting it as I see it.

I don't trust the top dogs in the EU as much as I don't trust our government, though. Nothing over the course of the last three years has made me change my mind and think it's an organisation I'd have liked us to join in the state its currently in. And that's how I decided (maybe wrongly) to vote leave three years ago. I went into that ballot box not knowing which box to tick. I took my time and decided if it was a referendum to join it, then I don't think I'd vote in.

I don't think any member of the public should be made to feel bad for their vote, either way. We weren't informed enough of the strengths of the EU by Remain, who simply focused on ridiculing Leave's arguments. Well, look how that turned out. Look how it turned out in the US with Trump. Focusing on negatives doesn't work, and so for all the crying of 'lies' from Leave's side, it's Remain's arrogance that got us into this position in the first place.

And I go back to the point that if politicans had simply looked to work together over the past three years, rather than this ludicrous in-fighting, we'd be in a much stronger position.
 
Tell that to Switzerland.......
"Hello Switzerland, this is @JEBUS_LIVES...yes I'm very well thank you Switzerland... @peteblue has suggested someone give you a quick call to let you know that the UK process of withdrawal from the EU is a war...yes I know it's not but Pete thought someone should tell you it is...I know it's ridiculous but he loves the nostalgia of the British Empire and gloryfying our role in the World Wars so sees everything in these terms...yes I know neutrality is an important part of your foreign policy but the thought you should know anyway. Yes I know...i know it's bizarre...just a heads up... Well thank you very much...yes I'd love some Toblerone! Have a great day Switzerland".
 
I think that’s a good descriptor for the 21. In terms of what happens now, we will be having a GE unless Corbyn chickens out, which I think he will. So it’s the quickest surrender to the EU we have ever seen......
Surrender? Who are we fighting? It's just an opportunity to maintain the status quo. It's not broken so why mess about with it.
 
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