Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Again you make a leap of logic based entirely around wanting to ram through Brexit. There's nothing wrong with an opposition holding a minority government in a terrible position until their electoral chances improve.

Did you actually read what you wrote before pressing the ‘post reply’ button. I thought this was all for the benefit of the country not the benefit of a party leader........

 

[tsubaki]

That's your choice mate. I'd say you are wasting your money if you do.

Politicians lie. They all do. But I'm trying to think of a situation whereby this sort of arrangement would be withdrawn in the future and I can only think of perhaps an extreme government, such as fascist or communist, gained power. And in that case I'd probably leave the country myself.

You don't have to think that hard to find a situation like that. In 2014, the then Coalition brought in its Immigration Bill.

Most of the Opposition chose not to fight it for fear of being labelled pro-immigrant, but a few backbenchers tried to point out that what the Government wanted to do would - if it wasn't fixed - affect British citizens who had arrived in the UK when "the UK" was rather larger than it is now, and who had never been required to keep the documentation that the Bill would now demand they had. The Government responded by telling them it would not be a problem, that they'd never go after British citizens like that.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Been doing some moonligthing back at my old job over the last few weeks.

Out of interest, I asked one of my friends – her and her husband are Polish – how they had to register because I genuinely had no clue.

She said they had to fill in a form and pay around £80 per-person, and send it off. They did that when they first got the forms through. They were then refunded the £160 as it got changed so that it was free (which is right, I thought it was mental that they had to pay to fill in a form).

Anyway, she said that was all they'd had to do but then wasn't 100% sure if they'd have to do the same process again, as those initial forms were before we didn't leave in March.

I just thought it worth pointing out on here since there's a discussion about it.

Not sure on this mate. The proposed fee was actually £65. £80 is the cost of a UK passport.

Also I don't think the register opened until April so not sure they could have applied before then, unless they were part of the pilot scheme they did to test the system.

Not sure how they would check to make sure they are registered but I think it would make sense to do that.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Thanks for that. No I haven't seen that before and I am surprised it been missed by the remain policelol

With the number of applications they are processing there are bound to be errors. In this case the home office are blaming the applicant for pressing the wrong button. It happens. I've been known to do it myself.

As for the increase in the percentage number of temporary settled status being issued, this could simply be due to people applying being here less than 5 years.

I was wondering whether there would be issues with systems crashing, or excessive delays, or even loads of people being refused due to criminal records.

You’d like to hope so and that the other reports are just isolated errors but 42% seems a pretty high figure tbh and when even leavers like below are flagging it as an issue you can’t really blame people for being a tad concerned.

 

[Xizor]

Did you actually read what you wrote before pressing the ‘post reply’ button.

I'm sorry if my big words made it difficult for you to follow. Let me break it down.

Party want power. Power more likely later. Party not throw away better chance later by taking minimal chance now.

Again, throw those blinkers off, try to consider it more objectively and you might start to understand. It's not too late.

Incidentally, I'm only posting about the general case, not this specific bind we're in, because you seem to think that an oppostion party is somehow required to get a minority government out of a tough spot when it can't govern, even if all the polls suggest they'll just throw a fresh mandate and years of extra power their opponent's way.

 

[Brisan123]

And you believe that the EU have been preparing for no deal for 3 years, so what does that say about them ?......

Forward thinking politicians who recognise that things may not go exactly as the had hoped.

 

[dholliday]

And you were proper onboard with him lol

i know...either well played from him or my wum-alarm needs tuning.

 

[ClausThomsen]

I honestly think we can do anything. Our country is so great and we should be proud. Think about the hero’s of the Somme, or the Brave men who stormed the beaches.

We will never ever ever surrender to the EU. I am prepared to lose everything in order for us to have Brexit, it’s the most important thing in my life.

If that makes me talking nonsense so be it.

I've been trolled hard here haven't I?

 

[dholliday]

Not just the press but in here too. Here's excerpts from a conversation I had with Bruce a couple of weeks ago about this very thing. He was trying to make out that no deal would create mayhem for all the EU nationals resident in the UK, but it won't. But what makes it worse is that Bruce would have known this as his own wife has registered under the scheme.

It's the problem we have in this country/ Remainers all paint the worst possible picture of a no deal which in turn leads to leavers brandishing it project fear. Polarisation is what is destroying the country.

another insightful post, fred.

if folk can't trust their own government to safeguard basic residential rights then there is a big problem somewhere...either the government really are crooked or the media's fear-mongering, plus the addictive echo chambers of social media, have a lot to answer for.

 

[graham74]

As is your absolute right if that's what you want.

I actually think it's incredibly sad that so many Scottish people relate more to Europe than they do to the UK. But that's just me.

Mate I'm from Liverpool, I'm not sure if its to do with relating to the UK or not, but take a look at the disdain with which Ian Blackford or Mhairi Black are treated in the HOC next time you get a chance. A lifetime of feeling like an insignificance may start to rub at you after a while. For me its predominantly about freedom of movement.

 

[Barnfred 55]

You’d like to hope so and that the other reports are just isolated errors but 42% seems a pretty high figure tbh and when even this leavers like below are flagging it as an issue you can’t really blame people for being a tad concerned.

The 42% is the percentage that are being allocated pre settled status. Which basically means they haven't lived and worked continuously in the UK for 5 years. When they reach 5 years they can then apply for settled status. I don't see why it is unreasonable to expect 42% of the applicants to have been here for less than 5 years, although it is entirely possible that some of these applicants could have pressed the wrong button as in the chef example earlier, but I'm sure that's an error that is easily rectified.

It's actually good to see people like Hannon banging the drum to get this right as it is important. But as I said in my previous post, in an exercise this size you would expect to come across issues. You just hope they are properly and timely dealt with.

 

[roydo]

OMG. He is on Radio 5 now. It is proper toe curling.

 

[LinekersLegs]

The 42% is the percentage that are being allocated pre settled status. Which basically means they haven't lived and worked continuously in the UK for 5 years. When they reach 5 years they can then apply for settled status. I don't see why it is unreasonable to expect 42% of the applicants to have been here for less than 5 years, although it is entirely possible that some of these applicants could have pressed the wrong button as in the chef example earlier, but I'm sure that's an error that is easily rectified.

It's actually good to see people like Hannon banging the drum to get this right as it is important. But as I said in my previous post, in an exercise this size you would expect to come across issues. You just hope they are properly and timely dealt with.

You have a much higher belief in the the efficiency of immigration systems than my personal experience has given me lol

 

[tsubaki]

Who on earth has allowed Johnson to make an election speech at a police building, with a backdrop of cops and an audience of the same?

 

[peteblue]

I'm sorry if my big words made it difficult for you to follow. Let me break it down.

Party want power. Power more likely later. Party not throw away better chance later by taking minimal chance now.

Again, throw those blinkers off, try to consider it more objectively and you might start to understand. It's not too late.

Incidentally, I'm only posting about the general case, not this specific bind we're in, because you seem to think that an oppostion party is somehow required to get a minority government out of a tough spot when it can't govern, even if all the polls suggest they'll just throw a fresh mandate and years of extra power their opponent's way.

Oh I do understand. Which is why I believe Corbyn will still not agree to a GE even if the bill is formally passed, signed sealed and delivered and nailed onto the forehead of Boris. Another excuse will be manufactured without a doubt......