Current Affairs EU In or Out

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    Votes: 688 67.9%
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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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Not really Andy, this guy argues with a middle finger, he calls people bigots and liars, but if you are happy for him to continue ruining these threads then fine, like others I’ll not bother......
Excellent! @Joey66 puts the middle finger up to a lot of posters, including Mark and myself, and ruins loads of threads. Your reaction? Nothing. This @hawhawP character comes on, blustering about Enoch Powell. Your reaction? Nothing. Are you just whining, upsetting and wumming people who don't share your view of the world? Selective whining is not a good look. @Mark O'Silver calls bigots out, calls liars out and, to my knowledge, has not been banned. @Joey66 and yourself have, if I recall correctly. If some left wing clown acted like some of the recent right wing idiots I would expect a few of the left leaning lads in here to let them know that that kind of behaviour was unacceptable. Catch yourself on @peteblue
 
And @Kurt

I don't get why people (well, the MPs are) are treating this like a game?

It's not about winning or losing. It's about getting out of this mess, somehow, with a semblance of a deal. And not just ignoring the result of a vote - which is the very definition of anti-democratic, surely?

We're past the point of no return now. Can people really think the EU negotiators will just let us revoke Article 50 without serious repercussions, after all the uncertainty? You'd be living in cloud cuckoo land.

It's bad either way.

It is, but again it should be pointed out that May had a deal and that Boris (and Rees-Mogg) voted against it twice. Others in the Cabinet voted against it three times.

If anyone betrayed Brexit, it is the Brexiteers.
 
For people on here who want Brexit, can I ask why? Especially those who are still happy with a no deal brexit?

The EU have been showing signs of a dictatorship for years. Their Presidents are not elected by the people, and they allow little room for debate. Ursula von der Leyen has been voted in as the President of the European Commission, that's the most politically-powerful position in Europe. Yet in Germany she's seen as a failed Minister where she had only modest gains as Family Minister before making a balls-up of the Defence Minister role. She was in Bulgaria this week preaching EU values and refused to take journalist questions.

Christine Lagarde will become President of the European Central Bank, yet she has dodgy financial controversies in her history (check her Wiki page for more details). Juncker, Tusk and Schulze have not been shy in being overly-confrontational with UK ideas, at best this is undiplomatic behaviour not befitting EU Presidents.

Something stinks up there in EU chiefland. What can EU members do about it?

People forget why David Cameron allowed a public referendum on Brexit: it's because he recognised this stink and requested EU work towards reforming some of their top-level processes so that they be more transparent to the public. This was arrogantly rejected by EU chiefs. Cameron's reaction by allowing the UK public to vote on EU membership was in theory a fair and rational thing to do, but he underestimated how fervent the pro-Remain crowd would react. We've thus had 3+ years of poisoned shouting rather than rational informed debate. It's been so poisonous that a lot of us are asking if it was worth even having the referendum in the first place. Better the devil you know and all that...

Brexit would force the EU to reform in ways that Cameron had suggested (more transparent), as the EU would not want to risk any other members pushing for their own Exits as this decreases the funds the EU get to work with.

That's the position of the left/liberal-minded person who supports Brexit.
 
And @Kurt

I don't get why people (well, the MPs are) are treating this like a game?

It's not about winning or losing. It's about getting out of this mess, somehow, with a semblance of a deal. And not just ignoring the result of a vote - which is the very definition of anti-democratic, surely?

We're past the point of no return now. Can people really think the EU negotiators will just let us revoke Article 50 without serious repercussions, after all the uncertainty? You'd be living in cloud cuckoo land.

It's bad either way.
It’s an absolute farce all around. I remember way back when the result of the referendum was announced... the Tories were full of themselves and telling us how they were going to the Eu with a list of our demands and if that bloody Eu knows what’s good for them they will listen and give us what we want.

There began the problems... when they went in with their little englander demands right at the beginning... it was as laughable then as it is now and it just set the time for the 3 years since.
 
Aye, and we'd be right back where we started.

Yep the same position we’ve been in since the referendum.

Let’s face it- the country is split down the middle and we are looking at several more years of the same thing. Even if there is no deal, we immediately go into trade deal discussions with the EU where the same problems faced in the withdrawal agreement need to be resolved.

Honest question for the leavers on here. Is this all worth it?
 
Well he needs to produce a rabbit from somewhere mate ... and pretty soon... as somebody has stated previously .... he may be the prime minister but the opposition are in charge at the moment

Isn’t that the most ridiculous thing though. We have a government and through shenanigans from the speaker, the opposition is in charge.....
 
Excellent! @Joey66 puts the middle finger up to a lot of posters, including Mark and myself, and ruins loads of threads. Your reaction? Nothing. This @hawhawP character comes on, blustering about Enoch Powell. Your reaction? Nothing. Are you just whining, upsetting and wumming people who don't share your view of the world? Selective whining is not a good look. @Mark O'Silver calls bigots out, calls liars out and, to my knowledge, has not been banned. @Joey66 and yourself have, if I recall correctly. If some left wing clown acted like some of the recent right wing idiots I would expect a few of the left leaning lads in here to let them know that that kind of behaviour was unacceptable. Catch yourself on @peteblue
He arrived into this thread an hour ago pissed as a fart, immediately quoted one of my posts and called for me to be banned, then launched into a long winded personal diatribe against me. The man cannot hide his bigotry against Irish people. It's been like that for a long time on here.
 
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If the UK's leaving the EU is the highlight of your life then I truly pity you.

And the whole unifying, make Britain great again stuff means absolutely nothing - jingoistic nonsense of the highest order.

I honestly think we can do anything. Our country is so great and we should be proud. Think about the hero’s of the Somme, or the Brave men who stormed the beaches.

We will never ever ever surrender to the EU. I am prepared to lose everything in order for us to have Brexit, it’s the most important thing in my life.

If that makes me talking nonsense so be it.
 
Lets hope the brexiteers dont manage to fillibuster the bill in the HOL. Think they have tabled 85 amendments!
it was 102 at dinner time one tory had put 11 in.
rumours on the tv before that a deal has been offered Johnson will let it through end the filibuster if Corbyn will go to a GE, little bit on newsnight before
 
Yep the same position we’ve been in since the referendum.

Let’s face it- the country is split down the middle and we are looking at several more years of the same thing. Even if there is no deal, we immediately go into trade deal discussions with the EU where the same problems faced in the withdrawal agreement need to be resolved.

Honest question for the leavers on here. Is this all worth it?

Good point, for me the answer is yes. Perhaps you should also ask the Remainers....
 
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