Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Jebus_lives]

I've thought this for a while.

I think there is 1 more chance to get her deal through. She needs to get the ERG on board and she'll hope that the risk of a lengthy delay will be enough to do this. They join and I'm pretty certain there are around 25/30 Labour brexiteers that will follow suit so she may not even need the DUP vote. Alternatively, if the EU decline an extension, she will work on the other side of the house who will want to avoid a no deal Brexit.

Failing the above, the only real option open is to agree a long tem extension to article 50 and fight a general lection in the hope that somebody gets a majority.

This will cost the UK heavily I expect... The EU will want their pound of flesh.

I think you're right though. The ERG will baulk at the thought of no Brexit.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Why.?

He said there are only 2 ways to lave the EU.

Last I heard revoking article 50 would involve us staying in the EU

You had a long day mate?

I accepted that point a little bit later on.

And yes...very long day.

 

[Barnfred 55]

She did,but this mp spellman tabled an amendment to the original motion which the tories whipped against, but still ended up losing because a lot of tories including cabinet ministers either abstained or voted against the whip.

Then the govt lost the vote on the original motion.

Absolutely unheard of!

You sure that's right mate?

My understanding was that the Spellman amendment was voted in by a majority of 4 (312-308 I think) and so the amendment then replaced May's original motion in the vote. Her original motion was never voted on.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I accepted that point a little bit later on.

And yes...very long day.

Haven't reached that page yet. I'm playing catch up.

 

[Wizard]

So if you vote to Remain does that mean:-

I vote to remain within the EU providing that
A) we do not have the same level of youthunemployment as Spain
B) we do not have a lower GDP growth than most of the EU
C) we do not get dragged into a war with Russia over the expansionist ideology of Brussels
D) They didn’t know what they were voting for.....

Voting to remain had one option. We remain in the EU.

As has been proven in the last few years, voting to leave opened up multiple options. There is no way that all the people that voted to leave wanted to leave under any form of what that meant. If you really want to tell me the 17.4m wanted to vote leave regardless of what the option was then fair enough, it’s your opinion. But if you apply that to other situations then it seems to be a very weird stance.

 

[-Rob-]

I'm convinced we are better off as a country with full power over our own laws and commerce.

You'll be pleased to know we've had exactly that full power for the entire time we've been in the UK. And control of our own borders. All while we've had free trade with the other 27 EU nations.

I can see why you'd want to get out of the EU to be able to get exactly what we already have.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Why.?

He said there are only 2 ways to lave the EU.

Last I heard revoking article 50 would involve us staying in the EU

You had a long day mate?

Its never too late to admit that you love the EU..

 

[Barnfred 55]

They will. They won't allow a short delay but they will allow a long one. They want Britain to stay in. A long delay increases the chance of another referendum or a complete U Turn if there's a change of government. That's what they want.

See if they still want us in when a load of UK MEPs from the newly formed Brexit party show up for work on July 1st. Image 63 Nigel Farageslol

 

[Wizard]

You'll be pleased to know we've had exactly that full power for the entire time we've been in the UK. And control of our own borders. All while we've had free trade with the other 27 EU nations.

I can see why you'd want to get out of the EU to be able to get exactly what we already have.

With, unless we no deal, less actual control over these terrible laws that no one ever seems able to cite. As we will still need to abide by them to trade with the EU but then we have no say over them.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Its never too late to admit that you love the EU..

I love them more than I love our parliament at the moment mate

 

[-Rob-]

Voting to remain had one option. We remain in the EU.

How about remain and accept the EU as it currently is or remain and fight for reform to make it more economically efficient.

We need to remain in the EU but I definitely believe the EU need to change.

 

[Jebus_lives]

You sure that's right mate?

My understanding was that the Spellman amendment was voted in by a majority of 4 (312-308 I think) and so the amendment then replaced May's original motion in the vote. Her original motion was never voted on.

Spellman dropped the amendment because of the Government whip, but Yvette Cooper wouldn't let it be removed so it was 'owned by the house'.

In the second vote of the night, the government whipped again, but Tory MPs and some labour MPs ignored it.

 

[Wizard]

I know this will have almost certainly been covered many times in this thread but it’s too long and moves too quick to fully keep up with.

But if so many people still want to leave, then why can’t we have a second referendum based on the information we have now? Nearly 3 years later. I look forward to no more General Elections despite information we may have learnt in the 4/5 years previous. I look forward to the laws that are introduced when we Brexit never being allowed to be change because it was the will of the people.

 

[-Rob-]

With, unless we no deal, less actual control over these terrible laws that no one ever seems able to cite. As we will still need to abide by them to trade with the EU but then we have no say over them.

You mean laws such as workers rights, product safety, maternity pay, food safety standards? Are they the terrible laws we have no control over?

 

[Barnfred 55]

lol

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