Because they lost an election. No political party that's lost an election goes into the next general election with the same manifesto.
And it would be a new general election, so you would be able to vote whichever way you want again.
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And it would be a new general election, so you would be able to vote whichever way you want again.
The binman chronicles
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Don't know if this has already been posted or not as there has been an explosion in the number of pages in this thread, but this almost makes the whole Brexit fiasco worth it....
Carl O'Ancelotti
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It was interesting to learn from him this evening that the UK is not a sovereign country and hasn't been one for the last 47 years. This of course would mean that it had no right to put its troops on our streets for 30 years...
Librarian
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So Britain decided to leave the EU, invoked Article 50 and set the timeline, It’s government’s cabinet agreed a deal with the EU that it can’t whip past it’s own ruling party and now it’s wider parliament can’t agree to even sit down to talk about it...
And this is the EU ‘bureaucrats’ fault????
And this is the EU ‘bureaucrats’ fault????
Emlynsqueakyvoice
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He is beyond parody is Parody Pete. I'm not sure that Pete believes what Pete says.....
Barnfred 55
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That sums everything up to me.
All this political posturing in the Commons is doing absolutely nothing to resolve the problem of Brexit. In fact it is making it worse, possibly much worse. All they have realistically achieved by tabling that amendment is to embarrass the Tory party and humiliate May in particular. It carries no legal weight whatsoever, and we already knew how parliament felt about no deal because they carried a similar motion less than a month ago. The legal position, as the above tweet confirms, is that the only way to leave the EU is either with a deal or without a deal. Ruling out no deal is not the same as agreeing a deal.
Which leads me on to the most important matter, which again the utter morons that inhabit parliament are failing to see. In 16 days we are due to leave the EU. If no deal has been agreed by then we will leave with no deal, regardless of tonight's meaningless vote. The only way to avoid this, apart from revoking article 50, is to get the EU to agree to an extension. Easy you may think. Not really no. It only takes 1 of the 27 member countries to say no and that's it, no extension. And I've already heard of reports that as many as 4 countries, France, Spain, Italy and Poland, are seriously considering throwing a spanner in the works. Plus the impending MEP elections causes further complications; they've already reallocated half of the UK MEP seats to other nations as they plan for the future without us. But most importantly you have the relationship between May and her European counterparts. Be in no doubt that the EU fully support the deal that is currently on the table and see that as the only way forward at the moment. How do you think they felt seeing the political one-upmanship being played out in parliament this evening. What they want and expect to see at this 11th hour is MPs coming together to find a solution. What they are getting is the exact opposite, nobody willing to compromise and consistently trying to get one over the opposition. Why on earth should they agree a deadline when absolutely nobody is showing any inclination that they can work together towards a solution. What's the point?
The ironic thing about tonight's shambles is that their actions may actually bring much closer the one thing they were trying to avoid. A no deal Brexit. Personally, I don't think I've ever been further removed from politics as I am right now and watching that lot on TV tonight I actually felt embarrassed to be British.
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100%
dead_soft
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It is a sovereign country though, no matter how many times some people want to pretend otherwise.
dead_soft
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They actually vote for them as the best representative for them, and as the person best placed to understand the facts and make a decision based upon it. There is nothing that states they cannot change their mind about what is the best. Otherwise we are purely asking for plebiscites.
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Sounds a bit undemocratic to me. People have already had their say. Voting again would be defying the will of the people.
It's an odd debate if you apply sovereignty to the decision to Leave. In essence, you split the concept into two domains de jure and de facto.
You can knowingly reduce your de facto autonomy if you willingly enter into beneficial arrangements that supersede de jure sovereignty. There's nothing adverse about that, it's a decision taken in best interests, which effectively become a cooperate accord.
While you can say with certainty that the EU does have an input into UK laws and legislation and you may be right in asserting that EU regulation is excessive, undermining the de jure sovereignty of the UK, the fact that we are in a collective Union and able to influence decisions and legislation on a wider platform than our own state, we've actually increased our de facto sovereignty. You also can't argue that we weren't involved in the shaping of those regulations.
However, under May's deal we effectively reduce our sovereignty in both de facto and de jure basis.
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It was a reckless decision done to control his own party over the good of the UK.
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I've thought this for a while.
I think there is 1 more chance to get her deal through. She needs to get the ERG on board and she'll hope that the risk of a lengthy delay will be enough to do this. They join and I'm pretty certain there are around 25/30 Labour brexiteers that will follow suit so she may not even need the DUP vote. Alternatively, if the EU decline an extension, she will work on the other side of the house who will want to avoid a no deal Brexit.
Failing the above, the only real option open is to agree a long tem extension to article 50 and fight a general lection in the hope that somebody gets a majority.
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Why.?
He said there are only 2 ways to lave the EU.
Last I heard revoking article 50 would involve us staying in the EU
You had a long day mate?
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