Some rather bizarre revisionism of Moyes tenure at Everton in this thread. Regardless of his behaviour and performance since, Moyes was a very good Everton manager, excellent at times.
He lowered expectations?? Really? We had just had a decade of finishing in the bottom half, and expectations when he took over were to stay up, and maybe look towards mid table.
The 'glass ceiling' isnt something that he invented - it is genuinely there - no club without heavy investment has finished top four since, well, we did it. Newcastle came close and we have come close several times since but fell just short. And guess what - without substantial investment in Jan we will fall short again this year.
For me, the only real criticism of Moyes at Everton would be the meek surrenders at Anfield and Old Trafford (and not every season by any means), and his continuing support of BK.
I'm thoroughly enjoying Roberto, a much needed breath of fresh air - but lets not pretend he has already skated past Moyes achievements at Everton (yes i used that word despite us not winning a trophy) because he has a long way to go to do that yet.
1 Manchester City £640,650,000 £160,700,000 £479,950,000 £95,990,000
2 Chelsea £390,209,000 £100,100,000 £290,109,000 £58,021,800
3 Manchester United £230,450,000 £128,800,000 £101,650,000 £20,330,000
4 Stoke City £99,825,000 £8,650,000 £91,175,000 £18,235,000
5 Aston Villa £179,600,000 £93,600,000 £86,000,000 £17,200,000
6 Liverpool £309,950,000 £220,550,000 £89,400,000 £17,880,000
7 Southampton £75,350,000 £14,600,000 £60,750,000 £12,150,000
8 Sunderland £153,630,000 £109,700,000 £43,930,000 £8,786,000
9 Hull City £43,025,000 £8,750,000 £34,275,000 £6,855,000
10 West Ham £85,350,000 £54,800,000 £30,550,000 £6,110,000
11 West Bromwich Albion £50,745,000 £29,019,000 £21,726,000 £4,345,200
12 Norwich City £22,750,000 £1,100,000 £21,650,000 £4,330,000
15 Swansea £48,455,000 £29,860,000 £18,595,000 £3,719,000
14 Cardiff City 50,695,000 £12,925,000 £37,770,000 £7,554,000
15 Fulham £50,580,000 £39,700,000 £10,880,000 £2,176,000
16 Crystal Palace £21,700,000 £9,750,000 £11,950,000 £2,390,000
17 Tottenham £310,900,000 £306,800,000 £4,100,000 £820,000
18 Arsenal £188,275,000 £192,400,000 -£4,125,000 -£825,000
19 Everton £63,500,500 £75,816,000 -£12,315,500 -£2,463,100
20 Newcastle £93,150,000 £118,150,000 -£25,000,000 -£5,000,000
The biggest Myth in the entire of football is the supposed glass ceiling requiring massive investment, just to not this is the current past 5 years of total spending figures, as were talking of past season finishing in the top 4, we can deduct this years transfers off this which would remove the 40m ozil transfer out of it and stick arsenal dead bottom of the spending list, somewhere they've been for pretty much the past 10 years of the premiership, and guess what they've finished in the top 4 every one of those seasons
People will probably quote wages or some such bull now, but remember that if we look at the net wages payed for the clubs in this league then we dont over-perform anywhere near as much as people make out, in fact its much more of a clear reflection of where clubs should finish compared to net spend strangely
