Ashtonian
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Exactly. I have said that for years. He never believed in his own players hence the negative and cautious attitude.
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Exactly. I have said that for years. He never believed in his own players hence the negative and cautious attitude.
1 Manchester City £640,650,000 £160,700,000 £479,950,000 £95,990,000
2 Chelsea £390,209,000 £100,100,000 £290,109,000 £58,021,800
3 Manchester United £230,450,000 £128,800,000 £101,650,000 £20,330,000
4 Stoke City £99,825,000 £8,650,000 £91,175,000 £18,235,000
5 Aston Villa £179,600,000 £93,600,000 £86,000,000 £17,200,000
6 Liverpool £309,950,000 £220,550,000 £89,400,000 £17,880,000
7 Southampton £75,350,000 £14,600,000 £60,750,000 £12,150,000
8 Sunderland £153,630,000 £109,700,000 £43,930,000 £8,786,000
9 Hull City £43,025,000 £8,750,000 £34,275,000 £6,855,000
10 West Ham £85,350,000 £54,800,000 £30,550,000 £6,110,000
11 West Bromwich Albion £50,745,000 £29,019,000 £21,726,000 £4,345,200
12 Norwich City £22,750,000 £1,100,000 £21,650,000 £4,330,000
15 Swansea £48,455,000 £29,860,000 £18,595,000 £3,719,000
14 Cardiff City 50,695,000 £12,925,000 £37,770,000 £7,554,000
15 Fulham £50,580,000 £39,700,000 £10,880,000 £2,176,000
16 Crystal Palace £21,700,000 £9,750,000 £11,950,000 £2,390,000
17 Tottenham £310,900,000 £306,800,000 £4,100,000 £820,000
18 Arsenal £188,275,000 £192,400,000 -£4,125,000 -£825,000
19 Everton £63,500,500 £75,816,000 -£12,315,500 -£2,463,100
20 Newcastle £93,150,000 £118,150,000 -£25,000,000 -£5,000,000
The biggest Myth in the entire of football is the supposed glass ceiling requiring massive investment, just to not this is the current past 5 years of total spending figures, as were talking of past season finishing in the top 4, we can deduct this years transfers off this which would remove the 40m ozil transfer out of it and stick arsenal dead bottom of the spending list, somewhere they've been for pretty much the past 10 years of the premiership, and guess what they've finished in the top 4 every one of those seasons
People will probably quote wages or some such bull now, but remember that if we look at the net wages payed for the clubs in this league then we dont over-perform anywhere near as much as people make out, in fact its much more of a clear reflection of where clubs should finish compared to net spend strangely
The figures you have given show the exact opposite of your conclusion.
The top 3 teams listed are the only ones to have won a title in the time period.
If your table were listed by gross spend rather than "net spend divided by season" then the top 6 clubs would be City, Chelsea, Tottenham, Liverpool, United and Arsenal. The 6 teams that have gathered the most points in the last 5 or so seasons. Everton would be 13th.
You also seem to be ignoring the scale on the wages table you post. All it shows is that Everton were "best of the rest" every season. Which is the exact point. There is a clear limit on what can be achieved and it is linked to finances.
You call the view a "myth" then present clear facts that demonstrate it is true.
Will Hunting
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Just like Gordon Lee then similar records = no trophies! DM will, and was never a Legend!
Black Belt Jones
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He put himself under a lot of pressure first 5 years or so with us - properly fired up. Winning mentality tbh, ironically when we were at our weakest under him. Recall him having a bad patch where he looked absolutely wrecked (possibly our heinous 17th place season?) and there was internet chat that he was going to go off with stress for a bit.
With hindsight it's easy to see how properly fired-up turned into enthusiastic, but comfortable, then eventually into not all that ersed, and extremely comfortable.
Problem for him now is that the belly-fire is not something you switch on or off as you please, and certainly not when the furnace has been sitting cold for a few years and you've got every media outlet on planet earth crawling up your ringpiece, questioning your decisions. I'd bet the house that Moyes would straighten out the circus that currently passes for the Utd team IF he can recapture his old hunger. Evidence of him doing this is not there at the moment - seems all over the shop.
With hindsight it's easy to see how properly fired-up turned into enthusiastic, but comfortable, then eventually into not all that ersed, and extremely comfortable.
Problem for him now is that the belly-fire is not something you switch on or off as you please, and certainly not when the furnace has been sitting cold for a few years and you've got every media outlet on planet earth crawling up your ringpiece, questioning your decisions. I'd bet the house that Moyes would straighten out the circus that currently passes for the Utd team IF he can recapture his old hunger. Evidence of him doing this is not there at the moment - seems all over the shop.
4737carlin
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Behave, we didnt put him under pressure because we were blind to what is really all about and confused to what we should expect from a Everton side. "progress" from the bottom half of the table to the top half dosent cut it
Spot on, Moyes is a no mark in Evertons history
blue4eva77
Yarmolenko ? Yes please
Royal Blue Jersey
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Was about to reply the same. My first thought was 'Boll*cks!' but in fairness I don't think he read the table properly.
It looks like Spurs have done far better than us but in reality they're only 7 points better off having spent £31m more in wages, which is a huge amount. We're actually on the same scale as Man U in terms of over-achievement, whilst Arsenal under-perform.
Royal Blue Jersey
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haha top post mate.
bignev23
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He was a safety first man which in the end holded him back but I remember being in Spain watching us against Villarreal and it was the closest we'd come to any kind of sucess for a long while,I don't hate the ginger bollocks two faced dour good for nothin so and so.
bluestevon
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Yeah kinda got myself in the middle of two trains of thought whilst mid post so came out garbled in a lot of ways lol
Think what im saying or at least was trying to say, is that the off used net spend isnt as much of a factor in total league position as most think, its more down to wages at the end of the day, may sound pretty simplistic but figures do bear it out, its where any glass ceiling lies in fact, not on gross spend or net spend or whatever, but on the wages a club pays year in year out that has the greatest impact, on that count we do overachieve but not as much as Moyes always made out we did, as besides the top 6 sic, we are very close to everyone else in the league in that regards and a lot higher than most of the also rans etc
Also as a little side note the continued stability of both ourselves and man utd over that 5 year period mamnagerially could be credited with a large reason why we both seemed to overachieve in that regard, a new manager coming in bringing in new faces and with people sitting their on the bench from the old regime will push higher the wages for those clubs, whereas you have to think a mangerial continuity will leave less waste sitting arouind drawing wages, singular vision etc
most classically seen in the likes of liverpool, stoke, villa, s'land, chelsea etc where they have had multiple managerial changes in that period leaving high paid wgaes players sitting on their books unused by the new managers
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Older fans seem to forget in Gordon Lee era in the mid 1970's we had a very similar manager to DM , but he was not very well liked by the fans - yet it was the Latchford Dave Thomas - Mick Lyons era - why ? - Well he failed to win us anything just like DM - who was adored here with only 3 good seasons out of 11! yet the same result = no trophies
Toffeelover
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Too true, Gordon Lee also had a hate, hate relationship with Duncan Mackenzie, now there was player who could skip over the ground with ball at his feet.
If our EX was under any pressure to me it was sekf inflicted with his own management and tactics.
If our EX was under any pressure to me it was sekf inflicted with his own management and tactics.
Define a good season?
Was finishing 7th in his first season good - yes 59 points
17th the next season - no 39 points
4th the next season - yes 61 points
11th the next - no 50 points
6th - yes 58 points
5th - yes 65 points
5th - yes 63 points
8th - 61 points
7th - 54 points
7th - 56 points
6th - 63 points
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