2025/26 David Moyes

[Drico]

I don't fully comprehend how to you make such confident declarations regarding the Friedkins , the reason Moyes was brought in , was to remedy Dyche's catastrophic form who the Friedkins initially inherited. I think the original plan going from credible reporting was to let him finish the season since they didn't officially own the club until Jan of last year. I don't think either move demonstrates lack of ambition as you can't typically just foist major seismic changes in the middle of season and expect immediate success. So they brought in Moyes he significantly improved our form and I think was deserving of an additional season to build on the stability. It's all hypothetical right now of course but with Moyes limitations becoming more apparent I think bringing in a manager that has more distinct and dynamic style that can possibly realize ambition should be in their minds. There are some rumblings behind the scenes that suggest that but until further developments it's all scuttlebutt.

My point being that although we're not challenging for champions League there has been progression over languishing near relegation spots , as a club we need to just keep building upon those improvements along with adding better players to the squad and enhancing our financial endeavors

Keeping Moyes last season after he did the job he was brought into do told me they either lacked ambition or were simply unprepared. He was brought in to keep us up and did. So what then? Why hold on to him if you had a plan A that had to be thrown out because Dyche basically gave up? They held on to him, in my view, because they were massively unprepared: the recruitment people and other “competent professionals” were still on gardening leave - some didn’t sign until after the window closed!

This explains last summer’s window: one that took ages to bear any fruit - and one that looks even poorer than we thought even then.

The Friedkins were basically unprepared. So now the question is do they have ambition now that the competent professionals are in place?

Moyes, in my view, goes in the summer if these guys are genuinely trying to progress us. You seem to be coming around to the idea Moyes has serious limitations. Well, I told you that last year. Stability has a cost. Keep Moyes, lose Ndiaye and Branthwaite. Because his ceiling was installed in full view on Tuesday night. We need a cultural purge and a serious rebuild come summer. Son of Bill should be presented with a carriage clock. Otherwise it’s tick tock for our top players who won’t tolerate bumping around in 9th or 10th.

 

[blueboy72]

Depends how you define entertaining. The Bournemouth game was very competitive, with Everton having the bulk of the best chances. People have some fantasy that with “the right tactical approach” players will be able to stroke it around with aplomb.

Well other teams manage it, when we do it under this manager, it’s more of a rarity. As it’s never been his style, I don’t mean Tika taka. Just at times we can’t do a
Simple pass and move, like he doesn’t even coach it, it is lump it forward and fight for 2nd balls. This year it’s getting it to Grealish and Ndiaye and see what they can do

 

[Efcjake]

Its a clickbait network site mate. They take the info from transfermarkt.

It doesn't pass the sniff test to me, as I say, 10th to 19th as you claimed would be some collapse and the squad movement just wasnt there in that time. The 19th figure was routinely cited in the summer too in credible outlets to highlight the scale investment needed.

Still the point was, and i agreed witb - squad value is a big factor. I used it to defend Dyche at Everton, and I'll use it for Moyes in comparison to Dyches Forest.

So you used the squad valuation to defend Dyche's horrific performance last year but now we have the 13th most expensive squad we are demanding top half and Europe qualification from Moyes or it's a failure?

That seems a double standard to me.

 

[Curtis]

Keeping Moyes last season after he did the job he was brought into do told me they either lacked ambition or were simply unprepared. He was brought in to keep us up and did. So what then? Why hold on to him if you had a plan A that had to be thrown out because Dyche basically gave up? They held on to him, in my view, because they were massively unprepared: the recruitment people and other “competent professionals” were still on gardening leave - some didn’t sign until after the window closed!

This explains last summer’s window: one that took ages to bear any fruit - and one that looks even poorer than we thought even then.

The Friedkins were basically unprepared. So now the question is do they have ambition now that the competent professionals are in place?

Moyes, in my view, goes in the summer if these guys are genuinely trying to progress us. You seem to be coming around to the idea Moyes has serious limitations. Well, I told you that last year. Stability has a cost. Keep Moyes, lose Ndiaye and Branthwaite. Because his ceiling was installed in full view on Tuesday night. We need a cultural purge and a serious rebuild come summer. Son of Bill should be presented with a carriage clock. Otherwise it’s tick tock for our top players who won’t tolerate bumping around in 9th or 10th.

I feel growth is realistically achieved through consistent evolution and sometimes the that just originates from having some form of stability even if it appears unimpressive at first as moving too fast too implement changes can foster chaos. Im no way advocating the outlandish notion of waiting 5 years before we consider making ambitious moves just believe there should be a progression involved. I concur whether Moyes is still here in the summer will be the clear barometer on where our immediate aspirations lie, although I do feel we have made strides forward despite some signings not firing or finding themselves utilized.

Yeah I don't think moyes is a mediocre manager like dyche but just a very risk adverse one that like you stated has a tainted connection to a controversial figure of the club's past , so I think eventually if we aim to revitalize the club eventually he has to be shed

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Well obviously someone has to
Manage us and I was behind the team. No open mind from me as I knew
Exactly how it would end.
Also there was plenty of other managers out there.

I've been doing a lot to improve the search feature the past week, so I did as you said and had a quick scout. So posts like this;

The best we can attract is probably a dyche and he will struggle to keep this squad up. The squad needs 2 new decent attackers whoever the manager is. Can we afford to sack frank and buy 2 players, I’f the answer is no, then we have to keep him imo. 2 new forwards is more important

So youd acknowledged the limitations on who we could bring in.

... after that post, we lost against Southampton and West Ham. And sold Anthony Gordon.

He still kept us up.

Like you, I thought we were gone. Toast.

Maybe hating on the bloke then, to the point of gloating about your hatred from day one is a bit odd?

Maybe the healthier thing is acknowledge the job he did in keeping us up? You, like I, felt we were down. Then - after 2 successive seasons of going to the final home game, we make another profit in the window and we then got clobbered with a big deduction. Still stayed up. Imagine if we took 10 points off our total now? We'd be 17th.

Im rambling, just find the bile and anger towards Dyche very odd. The man himself said day one he shouldn't be Everton manager. He was a symptom of Moshiri, and the disgrace of so called custodians of the club. Others, like Bielsa took the piss out of us saying we were down but he'd manage the academy for a few months an take over in the summer.

Bad times, and under him it was always keeping head above water until new owners. He did that. Why hate?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

So you used the squad valuation to defend Dyche's horrific performance last year but now we have the 13th most expensive squad we are demanding top half and Europe qualification from Moyes or it's a failure?

That seems a double standard to me.

You're making things up again mate. Work on that comprehension - its actually the opposite. Even if you just read last sentence to what you've quoted/replied to there.

 

[MikeH72]

Dyche fans are the strangest breed. He’s unemployed again lads, he had a good little try at the old management thing again over the last 4 months but it just didn’t work out, let it go.

 

[matty1878]

Within sight of the 7th place trophy. Good times.

Ye past 6 years trying stay up

Good times

 

[Efcjake]

You're making things up again mate. Work on that comprehension - its actually the opposite. Even if you just read last sentence to what you've quoted/replied to there.

Sorry, what is it I am not comprehending here?

Prior this season, we had a squad, (even including players on loan that we didn't pay for) rank as 19th in terms of valuation/player fees. Only Ipswich had a squad of players worth less than us (by last transfer fee).

We really were on the bones of our arses.

The squad we have now is capable of a lot more - and should be 7th-12th. Which it is.

No idea.

If we include the likes of Grealish last transfer fee (like it included Broja, Harrison, Lindstroms etc when we ranked 19th for squad valuation last season), then yeah, probably.

When you swop Doucoure for Dewsbury-Hall, Harrison for Grealish and spend a club record amount in the summer, expectation is rightly going to increase.

Moyes set that target from his squad this summer.



We earned the points to achieve above that the past few seasons, closer to europe than relegation and we then spent a club record amount before even factoring in Grealish.

Based on the two seasons prior to this, and the investment we've had - we should be looking top 10. We'll finish 7th-12th.

If we signed full backs, some pace on either wing and a capable striker - then it would have been europe.

You seem happy to point to the squad valuation being 19th as an explanation for why we couldn't expect more out of Dyche last year. Fair enough.

Yet, when the squad has received some investment to bring it to what I've seen listed as the 13th most valuable squad you are now expecting that Moyes outperform that and finish 7-12th.

That seems a fairly obvious double standard. One manager you excused on the basis of squad valuation, yet for the other manager you ignore the squad valuation and insist on over performance for satisfaction.

Am I comprehending correctly?

 

[Efcjake]

Dyche fans are the strangest breed. He’s unemployed again lads, he had a good little try at the old management thing again over the last 4 months but it just didn’t work out, let it go.

We couldn't expect more from poor Dyche as he had the 19th most valuable squad but if Moyes doesn't get Europe with the 13th most valuable squad he should be sacked immediately this summer.

All very reasonable, very fair.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Sorry, what is it I am not comprehending here?







You seem happy to point to the squad valuation being 19th as an explanation for why we couldn't expect more out of Dyche last year. Fair enough.

Yet, when the squad has received some investment to bring it to what I've seen listed as the 13th most valuable squad you are now expecting that Moyes outperform that and finish 7-12th.

That seems a fairly obvious double standard. One manager you excused on the basis of squad valuation, yet for the other manager you ignore the squad valuation and insist on over performance for satisfaction.

Am I comprehending correctly?

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Long said I think this team is capable of 7th-12th.

Thats being proven.

The difference between those positions is actually very little.

If we dont improve on 12th/13th of the last 2 seasons after spending a lot of money for the first time in 5 years, then what's the point?

Your squad valuation of 13th in the league - not sure where thay comes from but using the same method as when we were 19th - it would need £100m for Grealish and £18m for Rohl. It won't, so they're comparison doesn't exist.

 

[matty1878]

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I think this team is capable of 7th-12th.

Thats being proven.

The difference between those positions is actually very little.

If we dont improve on 12th/13th of the last 2 seasons after spending a lot of money for the first time in 5 years, then what's the point?

Your squad valuation of 13th in the league - not sure where thay comes from but using the same method as when we were 19th - it would need £100m for Grealish and £18m for Rohl. It won't, so they're comparison doesn't exist.

But we wil finish top ten I'm certain

So coz we spent some money we should
Instantly finish higher?

Given we're on a whole build

all clubs are Infront of us off the field

We're playing catch up and are already showing signs of improvement

 

[GrandOldTeam]

But we wil finish top ten I'm certain

So coz we spent some money we should
Instantly finish higher?

Given we're on a whole build

all clubs are Infront of us off the field

We're playing catch up and are already showing signs of improvement

Yes.

Or at least expect too.

Moyes, and the club captain spoke Europe before the season started.

And have in recent weeks.

This team is loads better now, so yeah, I expect it to do better.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Just for reference on those slagging Dyche & eulogising Moyes this is the table for Dyches Forest stint.

Moyes is plus one point from one game less. Dyche has more goals.

He had the 8th most expensive squad assembled in the league. Moyes has the 13th. Just for reference.

Very good point. It's a massive factor.

I made it repeatedly when Dyche was here with the 19th most expensive squad, ahead of only Ipswich and that was including last transfer fees for Harrison, Lindstrom, Broja which we obviously didn't pay.

We need to climb that table, and surely will do so again from this summer.

Still the point was, and i agreed with - squad value is a big factor. I used it to defend Dyche at Everton, and I'll use it for Moyes in comparison to Dyches Forest.

^ Posts to defend Moyes on squad spend vs Dyche's Forest.

Cranks wade in making things up.

 

[Efcjake]

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I think this team is capable of 7th-12th.

Thats being proven.

The difference between those positions is actually very little.

If we dont improve on 12th/13th of the last 2 seasons after spending a lot of money for the first time in 5 years, then what's the point?

Your squad valuation of 13th in the league - not sure where thay comes from but using the same method as when we were 19th - it would need £100m for Grealish and £18m for Rohl. It won't, so they're comparison doesn't exist.

It came from @Saint Domingo s post in the Forest thread.

My point is we didn't spend a lot of money when you compare our spending around our peers in the league.

It was the 13th highest spend and we apparently have the 13th highest valued squad. It was less than the median investment in the league. A top half or 7-12th finish is outperforming that investment.

You can look at any chart for squad valuation this year and they all show us where? In the bottom half.

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If you were OK with Dyche mildly outperforming the 19th place valuation and used it to defend him not doing any better than 16th last year, then why are we using the investment as a stick against Moyes?

I won't even acknowledge the joke of trying to include 100 million in it for Grealish.