2025/26 David Moyes

[JobForTheMoyes]

Just for reference on those slagging Dyche & eulogising Moyes this is the table for Dyches Forest stint.

Moyes is plus one point from one game less. Dyche has more goals.

Dyche was unfairly sacked by Forest. Their owner is a headbanger.

 

[Marius57]

Very good point. It's a massive factor.

I made it repeatedly when Dyche was here with the 19th most expensive squad, ahead of only Ipswich and that was including last transfer fees for Harrison, Lindstrom, Broja which we obviously didn't pay.

We need to climb that table, and surely will do so again from this summer.

23/24 we had 10th most expensive squad and finished 12th.
24/25 we had 18th most expensive squad (Ipswich and saints below) and he had us in 17th. Moyes took that same squad and got us to finish 12th despite the first half.

What the form chart that was posted shows is that he needs significantly more money and to play more games to get near Moyes.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

We are not going down.

We won't make Europe.

How about some exciting play and GOALS !

We have all forked out a small fortune for BMD season tickets, and we are not being entertained.

Woo you say that if it results in many defeats? I mean, if so, fair enough. But getting pumped while playing open football doesn’t tend to be very entertaining.

 

[Moomin]

Just for reference on those slagging Dyche & eulogising Moyes this is the table for Dyches Forest stint.

Moyes is plus one point from one game less. Dyche has more goals.

Thats because they are both crap managers.

 

[Bebeto]

We are not going down.

We won't make Europe.

How about some exciting play and GOALS !

We have all forked out a small fortune for BMD season tickets, and we are not being entertained.

You said it mate...in colours...TFG wants a pl club that dont cost them to much money to run. They have the safest pair of hands you can find in moyes to guarantee pl survival with minimal investment. To get to the next level, europe, you need to either be spending big bucks, which TFG are not prepare to do, or being very lucky or extremely brilliant on the recruitment front, which we are not. If we were to keep our key players over the summer, and somehow get a good striker and fullbacks, then I think we could do better next season.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

23/24 we had 10th most expensive squad and finished 12th.
24/25 we had 18th most expensive squad (Ipswich and saints below) and he had us in 17th. Moyes took that same squad and got us to finish 12th despite the first half.

What the form chart that was posted shows is that he needs significantly more money and to play more games to get near Moyes.

I know we were 19th for squad valaution this time last year for 24/25 - as this was widely shared at the time and something I commented on a fair bit - as I say, this figure included all the latest transfer fees, including loan players like Broja, Harrison, Lindstrom etc which we didn't even pay for. So now, it would show Grealish at £100m

Can't see how we'd have been as high as 10th the season before - who did we lose to fall from 10th to 19th in 24/25? We'd long sold the family jewels in the likes of Gordon, Richarlison the season before in 22/23.

23/24 was Beto, Chermiti, Young on a free an Danjuma - and we'd only sold Iwobi. We made profit in every single window. Where's the 9 league places in squad valuation coming from in that one year?

 

[Bluepablo]

Did we both play the same opposition home and away ? Ultimately the only meaningful measure is a full season.

Hang on. A lot of posters are stating the merit of Moyes v other managers based on the current league position.

 

[Bebeto]

Against Chelsea? Or Burnley? He played fine in both games before his injury. He's also shown enough to change a game.

The point being is his refusal to play them at all unless its 70+mins and we're losing...and even then will look to a defender.

He came on after 15 minutes or so for the injured KDH against Chelsea, and he wasnt good at all...

 

[Marius57]

I know we were 19th for squad valaution this time last year for 24/25 - as this was widely shared at the time and something I commented on a fair bit - as I say, this figure included all the latest transfer fees, including loan players like Broja, Harrison, Lindstrom etc which we didn't even pay for. So now, it would show Grealish at £100m

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Can't see how we'd have been as high as 10th the season before - who did we lose to fall from 10th to 19th in 24/25? We'd long sold the family jewels in the likes of Gordon, Richarlison the season before in 22/23.

23/24 was Beto, Chermiti, Young on a free an Danjuma - and we'd only sold Iwobi. We made profit in every single window. Where's the 9 league places in squad valuation coming from in that one year?

Planet football have done the below each year, taking their fees from transfermarkt. (They update them after the Jan window).

Ranking every Premier League club by their squad cost in 2024-25

Chelsea, Manchester United and Manchester City's squads have all exceeded the €1billion mark when it comes to total combined transfer fees, according to industry estimates.

www.planetfootball.com

 

[Saint Domingo]

Very good point. It's a massive factor.

I made it repeatedly when Dyche was here with the 19th most expensive squad, ahead of only Ipswich and that was including last transfer fees for Harrison, Lindstrom, Broja which we obviously didn't pay.

We need to climb that table, and surely will do so again from this summer.

Imagine a table for points per net transfer spend in the same period. Wonder how they’d show points for positive net spend when everyone else is tens of millions into the negative as a minimum.

We were extremely fortunate to come through that period and now we will
hopefully be able to push on. It is a lot better to be talking about transfer budgets for each window and arguing where in the top half we want to finish instead of ‘who is running the club’ ‘can we pay wages’ ‘will we fall foul of FFP’ ‘how big will the points deduction be’ ‘who do we have to sell this summer so we can loan a player in’. Dark times that are hopefully behind us now.

 

[Curtis]

You would expect so.

Well, you would if he does a reasonable job. Let's face it, if at the end of the season we are sitting in eighth position and the turnover is substantially up, Moyes and Kinnear will both probably be here for a while. Barring ambition that they have yet to demonstrate, I suspect the Friedkins are quietly pleased with the current stewardship of their football club investment vehicle.

I don't fully comprehend how to you make such confident declarations regarding the Friedkins , the reason Moyes was brought in , was to remedy Dyche's catastrophic form who the Friedkins initially inherited. I think the original plan going from credible reporting was to let him finish the season since they didn't officially own the club until Jan of last year. I don't think either move demonstrates lack of ambition as you can't typically just foist major seismic changes in the middle of season and expect immediate success. So they brought in Moyes he significantly improved our form and I think was deserving of an additional season to build on the stability. It's all hypothetical right now of course but with Moyes limitations becoming more apparent I think bringing in a manager that has more distinct and dynamic style that can possibly realize ambition should be in their minds. There are some rumblings behind the scenes that suggest that but until further developments it's all scuttlebutt.

My point being that although we're not challenging for champions League there has been progression over languishing near relegation spots , as a club we need to just keep building upon those improvements along with adding better players to the squad and enhancing our financial endeavors

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Planet football have done the below each year, taking their fees from transfermarkt. (They update them after the Jan window).

Ranking every Premier League club by their squad cost in 2024-25

Chelsea, Manchester United and Manchester City's squads have all exceeded the €1billion mark when it comes to total combined transfer fees, according to industry estimates.

www.planetfootball.com

Its a clickbait network site mate. They take the info from transfermarkt.

It doesn't pass the sniff test to me, as I say, 10th to 19th as you claimed would be some collapse and the squad movement just wasnt there in that time. The 19th figure was routinely cited in the summer too in credible outlets to highlight the scale investment needed.

Still the point was, and i agreed witb - squad value is a big factor. I used it to defend Dyche at Everton, and I'll use it for Moyes in comparison to Dyches Forest.

 

[blue61]

Woo you say that if it results in many defeats? I mean, if so, fair enough. But getting pumped while playing open football doesn’t tend to be very entertaining.

Were currently getting pumped without being entertaining.

 

[Marius57]

Its a clickbait network site mate. They take the info from transfermarkt.

It doesn't pass the sniff test to me, as I say, 10th to 19th as you claimed would be some collapse and the squad movement just wasnt there in that time. The 19th figure was routinely cited in the summer too in credible outlets to highlight the scale investment needed.

Still the point was, and i agreed witb - squad value is a big factor. I used it to defend Dyche at Everton, and I'll use it for Moyes in comparison to Dyches Forest.

Transfermarkt for fees is probably as accurate as you’re going to get though. I don’t read planet football and it was based off googling it, but it’s not the clickbait site making up the fees.

Ultimately it shows that Dyche is considerably a weaker manager as he has a costly squad and is still being outperformed.

But at the same time, Moyes could have also had considerably more points over the last few games than he has managed to achieve.

 

[preposterousvelios]

Thats because they are both crap managers.

I've been moaning about Moyes all season, but if there's one thing that will have me jump to his defense it's Dyche comparisons.

Didnt work out for him ultimately, but there's a reason that Moyes got to have a crack at a top job and Dyche has been moaning about not getting that opportunity for a decade. Dyche not on the same planet as Moyes as a manager.