Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Are you seriously suggesting that the German populace knew what was going on and cheerleaded it. That's absurd. Camps were deliberately placed out in the wilderness so their nauseous, deplorable actions couldn't be observed.

We can agree on many things here but suggesting a populace willfully allowed a genocide is factually incorrect and reveals a compelling lack of understanding.

There's many reasons why the Nazi's took power in Germany, guilt-shaming the German people isn't one of them.

this is just absolutely wrong -

Majdanek - outskirts of Lublin
Buchenwald - outskirts of Weimar
Dachau - within walking distance of Munich
Auschwitz - outskirts of what is now Oświęcim
Belzec - near village of same name
Ravensbruck - outskirts of Fürstenberg

Sobibor and Treblinka were further away from towns, but they were still on railway lines
 
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Interesting to see some of the methods they used in Wuhan to manage their quarantine (although i know people have suspicions about China's honesty), they put up barriers to keep neighborhoods isolated.
 
Are you seriously suggesting that the German populace knew what was going on and cheerleaded it. That's absurd. Camps were deliberately placed out in the wilderness so their nauseous, deplorable actions couldn't be observed.

We can agree on many things here but suggesting a populace willfully allowed a genocide is factually incorrect and reveals a compelling lack of understanding.

There's many reasons why the Nazi's took power in Germany, guilt-shaming the German people isn't one of them.

Ok, so a population willing to trash Jewish businesses, to see them herded into ghettos and later disappear "somewhere" just never gave it another thought? There were enthusiastic deporters throughout Europe, not just Germany, the Marne in France had a sizable Jewish community who were, often with the assistance of their neighbours, dispersed and exterminated. Anwtwerp had a concentration and later deportation camp in the grounds of the castle at Breedonk which, whilst outside the city, is a village with thousands of inhabitants. Dachau and it's sister camps were inside the city limits of Munich and Enz was about 30km outside Stuttgart.

Add this to the fact that the Nazis were obsessed with detail and documented everything. Somebody was completing and driving this paper trail.

This is not to say that every German was a raving anti-semite cheerleading for the destruction of all of Hitlers undesirables but the idea that it wasn't pretty common knowledge amongst the citizens of the Reich that those being deported weren't going to a holiday camp (leaving aside their neighbours looting and stealing their homes) does not, in my opinion from my readings on the matter, hold water. It was one of the white lies post-war Germany told itself to be able to look in the mirror.
 
Anyone who thought we'd be out of lockdown before June was mental IMO.
Also the 2nd wave has still to come after June....LBC this am Farage was on totally impartial with the callers - the presenter who came on after him on after him the reason why Sweden is not in lockdown other than vulnerable people is that the scientist take control over the Government in conjunction, Schools still open as bars etc - they believe in the herding theory to get the resistance of the virus - note though richer country, and their people have adhered to the advice Boris was advising last week before lockdown - hence that's why because they are sticking to the guidelines which are policed - they are not in lockdown as yet....-Only time will tell if the Sweden model that policy is the correct one...... The jury's out on that one...lets see in the future weeks if they alter tactics?
 
this is just absolutely wrong -

Majdenek - outskirts of Lublin
Buchenwald - outskirts of Weimar
Dachau - within walking distance of Munich
Auschwitz - outskirts of what is now Oświęcim
Belzec - near village of same name
Ravensbruck - outskirts of Fürstenberg

Sobibor and Treblinka were further away from towns, but they were still on railway lines

Outskirts. Read what you are typing. Did the the families know the heinous crimes, even though they wouldn't like to admit it, most definitely. Did the townsfolk? Well we have reports of ashes pouring constantly in the sky. So absolutely. Did regular German folks know? They probably not.

I really don't know what the argument is here. Governments will do deplorable things without their population knowing about it.
 
Add this to the fact that the Nazis were obsessed with detail and documented everything. Somebody was completing and driving this paper trail.

You're confusing Nazi's with the German people. Here is something you should keep in mind. Genocides occur amongst the most civilized of people. The Brits wiped out over half of the Irish population.

And while your at it, don't forget what you did to the Afrikaners during the Boer War.
 
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Is the Guardian a decent source? I'm not familiar with it, but it says that 70% of those admitted to ICU are overweight. Which is something I hadn't heard being linked before.
Good question mate. I assume you live in Ireland. I'm not sure what your mainstream press is like over there, but over here the vast majority hold a political bias, and that will affect the way in which they report things. The Guardian, together with it's sister paper the Observer, and papers like the Independent and the Mirror are all left wing papers. The likes of the Mail, Express and the Telegraph are all right wing. The Times say's it's none political as does the free paper, Today, but frankly the latter is best used to line your bin with. The Star is essentially an adult comic.

The left wing papers tend to be overly negative and will report practically everything as a criticism of the current Tory government. The right wing papers tend to be gung ho, up and at them, Rule Brittania nonsense and will rarely if ever criticise the government. In my opinion, neither can be trusted to write a straight, down the middle factual piece, which is exactly what they all should be doing during the current crisis.

Take this article for example and the particular point you raised. 70% of the people in intensive care are overweight. Well given that over 66% of the UK population is overweight according to the BMI scale, that's hardly a revelation. Plus the nearly 50% of deaths in ICUs can be misleading. The vast majority of the people that have been through the ICUs are still in there. We have no statistics on how long they've been there or whether they are closer to death or recovery. So to have headlines of 50% deaths from ICUs is not helpful at the moment when people are very worried anyway, especially those with families in ICUs. I'd rather that though, than articles like the Peter Hitchens one we saw in the Mail today.

So my advice is read the articles by all means but try and see through the political bias and form your own opinion.
 
Outskirts. Read what you are typing. Did the the families know the heinous crimes, even though they wouldn't like to admit it, most definitely. Did the townsfolk? Well we have reports of ashes pouring constantly in the sky. So absolutely. Did regular German folks know? They probably not.

I really don't know what the argument is here. Governments will do deplorable things without their population knowing about it.

The argument is that you are using a really bad analogy, and doing so in a way that is demonstrably and really quite offensively wrong.
 
this is just absolutely wrong -

Majdanek - outskirts of Lublin
Buchenwald - outskirts of Weimar
Dachau - within walking distance of Munich
Auschwitz - outskirts of what is now Oświęcim
Belzec - near village of same name
Ravensbruck - outskirts of Fürstenberg

Sobibor and Treblinka were further away from towns, but they were still on railway lines
Ok, so a population willing to trash Jewish businesses, to see them herded into ghettos and later disappear "somewhere" just never gave it another thought? There were enthusiastic deporters throughout Europe, not just Germany, the Marne in France had a sizable Jewish community who were, often with the assistance of their neighbours, dispersed and exterminated. Anwtwerp had a concentration and later deportation camp in the grounds of the castle at Breedonk which, whilst outside the city, is a village with thousands of inhabitants. Dachau and it's sister camps were inside the city limits of Munich and Enz was about 30km outside Stuttgart.

Add this to the fact that the Nazis were obsessed with detail and documented everything. Somebody was completing and driving this paper trail.

This is not to say that every German was a raving anti-semite cheerleading for the destruction of all of Hitlers undesirables but the idea that it wasn't pretty common knowledge amongst the citizens of the Reich that those being deported weren't going to a holiday camp (leaving aside their neighbours looting and stealing their homes) does not, in my opinion from my readings on the matter, hold water. It was one of the white lies post-war Germany told itself to be able to look in the mirror.

Lads, a polite suggestion, don't bite, it's not relevant, put him on ignore if necessary.
Or, as Groucho said ...

Hello chaps.

Well, isn’t this massivley off topic then?
 
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