Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Papa Shango]

It's a mad thing to do, whatever way you slice it. Covering up the scale of the problem isn't going to do anyone any good now

Technically it could be argued that it reduces wide spread panic.

I'm not the one arguing it by the way...

 

[Dixieslaces]

Not a conspiracy but it's like they knew what was coming!

The John Hopkins Institute are responsible for the daily collation of figures that are being used.

Event 201, a pandemic exercise to illustrate preparedness efforts

The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201.

www.centerforhealthsecurity.org

 

[Dixieslaces]

The economic fallout in just 1 week in US, this also doesn't take into account , temporary workers, contractors, self employed etc.

We are gonna feel this for a very long time.

 

[xena]

Does it look like non essential construction work will be curbed tomorrow, bellway announced there closing all sites at end of play tomorrow, persimmon to close too and apparently Dowhigh in Liverpool have been told by the council to close all sites(roadworks) maybe they were waiting for this self employment package tonight before pulling everyone

Its more or less stopped now i work in northwest only done 2 jobs in two days usually do about eight a day

 

[WA Toffee]

Id be in two minds about it to be honest, i think so much control is taken away from families in the ritual of a funeral negating the community aspect of grief, that families will try and control the controllables - its a traumatic loss, also its likely still a disenfranchised grief - perhaps stigma, new type of loss, perhaps unacknowledged. I can see why family dont want their loss to be a stat.

I can also see however the macro piece about the greater public good and awareness, also the political motivation.

Likely there is no right or wrong here.

I doubt those who haven't given consent would see the numbers rise that significantly in all honesty.

There absolutely is a right and wrong. Telling the truth is right, telling lies is wrong.

 

[ramacca]

Johnson made a great song and dance about 'how we'll protect care workers'. No sooner had that lie spewed from his mouth, this..

Amelia Hill
A care home in Hove where around three-quarters of the residents are suffering symptoms of Covid-19 has been refused protective equipment by the government.
After the local MP intervened, the prime minister apparently promised that protective equipment for all care home staff will be distributed by tomorrow. Peter Kyle, the MP for Hove, has said he will “be watching the situation and ensure this materialises”.
About three-quarters of residents and seven members of staff at Oaklands Nursing Home, in Hove, Brighton, are reportedly displaying symptoms of Covid-19 with one resident testing positive yesterday.
But despite the symptoms first appearing 15 days ago, the government has so far failed to issue the home the proper protective equipment it has asked for.
The local newspaper, the Argus, reported that three residents were tested on Saturday. One person tested positive and another person tested negative. The last result has yet to be returned.
Kyle, Labour MP for Hove, told the local paper, the Argus:

I’m so upset for the families and staff that the worst possible result has come in as regards this resident who has tested positive; it’s an incredibly worrying time and I’m hoping for the very best recovery.
This has now highlighted the urgent need for more testing and quicker testing. A 10-day wait to be tested is not acceptable and I hope lessons can be learned and learned quickly.
I also spoke directly to the prime minister and asked for protective equipment for key workers like those in the care home. He promised me this would happen by Friday so I will be watching the situation and ensuring this materialises.

The local newspaper, the Argus, reported that three residents were tested on Saturday. One person tested positive and another person tested negative. The last result has yet to be returned.

 

[summerisle]

Maybe later. lol

 

[peteblue]

I suspect you would quickly rethink that decision if you were a healthcare worker who was short on masks or caught the disease yourself and needed a ventilator.

Apparently testing kits sent from China to Spain have been found to be faulty.......

 

[LinekersLegs]

Apparently testing kits sent from China to Spain have been found to be faulty.......

So were all the initial US testing kits - errors in manufacturing happen but there should be better quality control on such important items and that applies to all countries.

However that is a completely different issue than the one I believe you were making which was that you thought they would be infected.

”I was just thinking about the report I read about that cruise ship where coronavirus was still detected on surfaces 17 days after people had left, and the hands that may have touched them. Personally I wouldn’t touch anything coming out of China....but that’s just me....”

 

[witchdoc187]

Do NHS staff have to pay to park at their place of work normally??? Wtf? Can someone give me some idea of how much please. That's scandalous. I'm guessing the senior staff will have free reserved parking?

 

[LinekersLegs]

For all those too happy to put the boot into our government, consider that the number of total cases and deaths in this country is likely to be only a small fraction of virtually every other major economy in Europe - France, Spain, Germany, and Italy of course. Both in total and per captia we are likely to come out the other side far less impacted than these countries, and if you don't think our government deserves at least some credit in that regard then I don't really know what to say except that you have hopelessly allowed your idological hatred to cloud objective outcomes.

According to John Hopkins https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html currently Germany has 229 deaths compared to the UK‘s 467 death despite Germany outbreak starting earlier and having easier transport links to Italy.

Cases are much higher in Germany but that is because they had a test/isolate strategy unlike the UK.

 

[ramacca]

Davey asks a question about ventilators.

Sir Ed Davey, the acting Lib Dem leader, has criticised the government for refusing to take part in in the EU’s joint procurement scheme for ventilators and other NHS equipment. (See 12.37pm.) Davey said:

There is no reasonable justification for Boris Johnson’s refusal to participate in the EU’s procurement of ventilators. Surely we should be trying every possible means to get people seriously ill with coronavirus the ventilators they need ...
Of course we want factories in the UK manufacturing ventilators and let’s source them from abroad where we can, but it looks deeply irresponsible not to work with our European neighbours on this too.

Maybe he needs look no further than greasing the palms of the Tories mates.

The Tories choose a ‘longtime’ associate’s company to manufacture crucial ventilators

"The UK government requested help from ventilator manufacturers on 16 March.

Andrew Raynor of MEC Medical appeared on BBC Newsnight on 25 March. According to MEC Medical’s website, the company is a “leading manufacturer and worldwide supplier of… Oxygen Therapy, …Suction, Flowmeters, Electric Suction, Regulators and more”.

Raynor submitted an application to help the government, but claims that “nothing” initially happened afterwards. On the government’s strategy for funding the production of equipment, he commented:

They’ve gone and ploughed loads of money into big consortiums to try and make a cheap, make-shift ventilator, which is fair enough, but really they should have gone and given funding to existing ventilator manufacturers and existing companies like us who could just upscale quicker".

James Dyson

On 26 March, the BBC reported that the UK government had ordered 10,000 ventilators from vacuum firm Dyson, owned by James Dyson. The company, reported the BBC, “has had hundreds of engineers working round the clock to design the ventilators from scratch”.
Unlike MEC Medical, it seems that Dyson has no experience making the ventilators currently required. It is, however, working with a Cambridge-based medical company, The Technology Partnership, on the initiative.
The BBC report continued:

It is thought that even if regulatory approval is forthcoming, it could take a couple of weeks to move from prototype to the device being made in significant scale.

Dyson is no stranger to the Conservative Party. In 2009, the Conservative Party appointed Dyson as the UK’s technology tsar. The same year, he spoke at the opening day of the Conservative Party conference in Manchester.

10 days were wasted due to Johnson's lackadaisical attitude.

 

[NorthernBlue]

Do NHS staff have to pay to park at their place of work normally??? Wtf? Can someone give me some idea of how much please. That's scandalous. I'm guessing the senior staff will have free reserved parking?

Cant remember exact amount but I think around £50 a month used to get taken out of the wife’s monthly pay. She parks in a private car park for £2 a day now so it’s a little cheaper.

 

[witchdoc187]

Cant remember exact amount but I think around £50 a month used to get taken out of the wife’s monthly pay. She parks in a private car park for £2 a day now so it’s a little cheaper.

That's horrendous mate. How long have they been doing that?

 

[NorthernBlue]

That's horrendous mate. How long have they been doing that?

Been with her 10 years and it’s always been that way so I would assume it’s much longer than that. They also have to pay nursing fees every year which are £130 I think. She just paid that this week.