Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

Indeed, it's extending courtesy to a recently bereaved family for goodness sake.

No, it isn’t. There is no courtesy whatsoever being extended here.

As policy decisions go its beyond moronic to do this as people will start not to believe data the government is presenting. Whoever came up with this idea should be fired at once.

 

[ramacca]

It's in keeping with the Germans who are doing exactly the same thing.

So the UK are censoring coronavirus data as the Germans are.Massaging the figures so that Johnson can say ' we are on top of this' and fit in with his '12 weeks to get on top of it'.

 

[ramacca]

Indeed, it's extending courtesy to a recently bereaved family for goodness sake.

Did the ONS show courtesy/consent when they released these figures.

Main points

• There were an estimated 23,200 excess winter deaths which occurred in England and Wales in the 2018 to 2019 winter, the lowest since the winter of 2013 to 2014.
• The excess winter mortality index in England in 2018 to 2019 was statistically significantly lower than the 2016 to 2017 and 2017 to 2018 winters.
• The excess winter mortality index in Wales in 2018 to 2019 was statistically significantly lower than all years since the 2013 to 2014 winter.
• Excess winter mortality continued to be higher in females compared with males and highest in females aged 90 years and over compared with females at younger ages.
• Respiratory diseases continued to be the leading cause of excess winter deaths which occurred in 2018 to 2019.

 

[Neiler]

Families can say not to naming patients, but not to say no to anonymised data, for something that's of a public concern.

Id be in two minds about it to be honest, i think so much control is taken away from families in the ritual of a funeral negating the community aspect of grief, that families will try and control the controllables - its a traumatic loss, also its likely still a disenfranchised grief - perhaps stigma, new type of loss, perhaps unacknowledged. I can see why family dont want their loss to be a stat.

I can also see however the macro piece about the greater public good and awareness, also the political motivation.

Likely there is no right or wrong here.

I doubt those who haven't given consent would see the numbers rise that significantly in all honesty.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

This is not only stunning, but also very brave.

Yes very brave, true heroes one and all.

 

[monty]

I'm sorry but with his track record for dishonesty, I wouldn't believe him if he told me his name was Boris.

All politicians tell porkies but at a time like this nothing other than the cold truth should be given to the public, we are adults, after all, is said and done. Johnson left all talk about flooding to the environment minister as it was his job, why then are we addressed, Churchcillian style, every night by this glory grabber when it seems we have insufficiencies across the board and deaths are being covered up despite his claims to the contrary. I wonder if the health secretary has refused to lie openly to us all

 

[royalblue66]

Yes very brave, true heroes one and all.

Really gets to me,the sacrifices people make when there is a crisis.

 

[Billy Dean]

It's in keeping with the Germans who are doing exactly the same thing.

So the UK are censoring coronavirus data as the Germans are.Massaging the figures so that Johnson can say ' we are on top of this' and fit in with his '12 weeks to get on top of it'.

Are we sure the Germans are doing this? I'm pretty sure their equivalent to CMO was saying in one of his media updates that they're counting ALL those who die with corona as corona deaths regardless of whatever illness they have. Where does it say they're excluding them?

 

[Paris]

So the UK are censoring coronavirus data as the Germans are.Massaging the figures so that Johnson can say ' we are on top of this' and fit in with his '12 weeks to get on top of it'.

Indeed. It's stupid but the Brits aren't the only ones doing it.

 

[tsubaki]

Id be in two minds about it to be honest, i think so much control is taken away from families in the ritual of a funeral negating the community aspect of grief, that families will try and control the controllables - its a traumatic loss, also its likely still a disenfranchised grief - perhaps stigma, new type of loss, perhaps unacknowledged. I can see why family dont want their loss to be a stat.

I can also see however the macro piece about the greater public good and awareness, also the political motivation.

Likely there is no right or wrong here.

I doubt those who haven't given consent would see the numbers rise that significantly in all honesty.

There’s absolutely right and wrong here - the Government (any government) needs to collate and distribute accurate data to allow itself to be successful. That data has to be accurate and not tinkered with, otherwise people use it to make decisions which end up being wrong. There is no reason in Gods earth why any family should or even would refuse consent for a deceased person to be recorded as dead from a disease like this.

This unprecedented crisis is asking most of us to obey really draconian measures to keep us all safe. If they start undercounting the deaths, people are going to question more whether these measures are necessary and increasingly start to circumvent them.

To actually be doing this whilst they are also telling cops to talk to, fine and if that doesn’t work drag people to jail if they refuse to comply with these conditions is the definition of wrong.

In fact it may be the worst thing they’ve done so far in a crisis that they’ve messed up continuously.

 

[Paris]

Are we sure the Germans are doing this? I'm pretty sure their equivalent to CMO was saying in one of his media updates that they're counting ALL those who die with corona as corona deaths regardless of whatever illness they have. Where does it say they're excluding them?

If you suffer from a heart attack or other potentially fatal event and also contract the CCP Flu, then the heart attack will be recorded as your cause of death.

 

[peteblue]

Thank god people are taking this seriously. Never seen Paradise St look so quiet!

Or tidy.....

 

[Billy Dean]

Are we sure the Germans are doing this? I'm pretty sure their equivalent to CMO was saying in one of his media updates that they're counting ALL those who die with corona as corona deaths regardless of whatever illness they have. Where does it say they're excluding them?

I just checked, and its indeed false. Germany are counting all those who have tested positive for corona and die as corona-related deaths, even if they have other illness or health problems

 

[Blue 1]

Pretty sure now that me and my wife have both got the Shanghai Shivers. Been ill for a week now. Thought it was just a nasty flu but temperature went a couple of days ago and have just been left with a nasty cough and fatigue like I've never known in my life. Every single movement feels like a great effort and is accompanied by nausea. It's horrible. Just glad my kids haven't shown any symptoms yet.

 

[Billy Dean]

If you suffer from a heart attack or other potentially fatal event and also contract the CCP Flu, then the heart attack will be recorded as your cause of death.

Where are you getting that from? That's not what is coming from the president of the Robert Koch Institute as I've posted above.