I admire your optimism, I think however that it is seriously misguided.
Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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Not sure where you are getting your information from but it is incorrect we are at present 14 days behind Spain!
You’ve misunderstood his post.
Spain has massively overtaken us in terms of deaths, we are not “14 days behind Spain” as we were Italy. They are on a totally different trajectory.
evilwebby
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No, you're basing that on what the media is saying based on us hitting the same numbers as Spain, but our rate of spread has not been as severe, so in reality we will have a much smaller curve. It's the rate of change in the number of cases/deaths that are key, not the absolute numbers.
spectateur
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Maybe in the south.
No it's not. The ventilator issue is lies upon lies and may as well make it a big lie - 12 000 when there is only 8 000 -typical Goebbels. Same with PPE, no real 'kit' forthcoming despite the Tories saying there is. Same with testing - 5 000 to 10 000 to 25 000 to 250 000 per day eg.. Big Goebbels lies.
Wartime censorship so as not to dent 'moral' is the situation the UK is in. With the MSM playing their 'part'. And only allowing 'tried and tested' journalists to ask questions during Johnson's briefing.
summerisle
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mrb85
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The main criticisms of the government seem to be on three grounds:
- cuts to NHS funding have left the service unable to cope
- there was insufficient equipment available both for testing and for treatment
- the implementation of social distancing and related rules came too late.
But:
- NHS funding has been increased every year in real as well as in cash terms. Unfortunately what people expect and demand of the NHS has also.
- no government can ever ensure that there is always enough equipment and general resources in the system to deal with ANY new threat, particularly one that can develop with virtually no notice
- policy decisions were having to be made on incomplete and flawed data, and in the face of very different analyses and advice coming out of the various medical and academic research institutions. Consider how long it normally takes to decide upon most other policy matters (HS2, a Third runway at Heathrow etc) yet here we have decisions that are not only literally a matter of life and death but also with immense ramifications not just for the country's current health but also for its future economic wellbeing; and then conclude whether or not action was too slow in coming. The social changes implemented would have been absolutely unthinkable in a free society only 3 months ago; what is effectively the state's underwriting of all sectors of the economy likewise. And then of course there is the legacy of this economic intervention for the future material wellbeing of the population.
PS - I speak as someone with experience advising governments of various pales - but also as someone who long ago ceased using his vote.
- cuts to NHS funding have left the service unable to cope
- there was insufficient equipment available both for testing and for treatment
- the implementation of social distancing and related rules came too late.
But:
- NHS funding has been increased every year in real as well as in cash terms. Unfortunately what people expect and demand of the NHS has also.
- no government can ever ensure that there is always enough equipment and general resources in the system to deal with ANY new threat, particularly one that can develop with virtually no notice
- policy decisions were having to be made on incomplete and flawed data, and in the face of very different analyses and advice coming out of the various medical and academic research institutions. Consider how long it normally takes to decide upon most other policy matters (HS2, a Third runway at Heathrow etc) yet here we have decisions that are not only literally a matter of life and death but also with immense ramifications not just for the country's current health but also for its future economic wellbeing; and then conclude whether or not action was too slow in coming. The social changes implemented would have been absolutely unthinkable in a free society only 3 months ago; what is effectively the state's underwriting of all sectors of the economy likewise. And then of course there is the legacy of this economic intervention for the future material wellbeing of the population.
PS - I speak as someone with experience advising governments of various pales - but also as someone who long ago ceased using his vote.
LocalNative
MOSHIRI OUT
royalblue66
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Simple question, If you knew of a pub being open at night on the quiet,
would you snitch ?
would you snitch ?
Yes.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
So says the knowledgeable Daily Telegraph columnist, history graduate, climate change sceptic and, no surprise really, Brexit supporter.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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These populist libertarian dead heads really need to STFU at the minute.So says the knowledgeable Daily Telegraph columnist, history graduate, climate change sceptic and, no surprise really, Brexit supporter.
London hospitals seeing 'continuous tsunami' of ill patients, says health leader
London hospitals are facing a “continuous tsunami” of seriously-ill patients because of coronavirus, a health service leader said this morning. Chris Hopson, chief executive of NHS Providers, which represents NHS trusts, used the phrase in an interview on the Today programme. Commenting on the situation in London, he said:
There is not enough staff in London for the EXCel centre. It needs to be up and running now but ...
NHS leaders are identifying staff to be imminently deployed to the new 4,000-bed temporary hospital being set up to treat seriously ill coronavirus patients.
Health secretary Matt Hancock announced earlier this week that the ExCeL centre in east London would become a field hospital. The site will have two wards of 2,000 beds to cope with any dramatic increase of patients in the capital.
On Wednesday, the Health Service Journal (HSJ) reported that leaders were “urgently” locating staff who could be posted at NHS Nightingale.
An email from a London trust chief executive to staff, seen by the news service, said a response was needed within hours and accommodation would be provided to workers if necessary.
It added: “The urgency in identifying staff is to allow time for training to take place before opening to patients.”
Required workers at the hospital include consultants, GPs and critical care nurses, as well as non-clinical staff such as porters and administrators".
London hospitals are facing a “continuous tsunami” of seriously-ill patients because of coronavirus, a health service leader said this morning. Chris Hopson, chief executive of NHS Providers, which represents NHS trusts, used the phrase in an interview on the Today programme. Commenting on the situation in London, he said:
Hopson said that, while extra capacity was being brought in - including 4,000 beds at the ExCeL centre in London’s Docklands - hospital chief executives are concerned that it will be used up “very, very quickly”.
There is not enough staff in London for the EXCel centre. It needs to be up and running now but ...
NHS leaders are identifying staff to be imminently deployed to the new 4,000-bed temporary hospital being set up to treat seriously ill coronavirus patients.
Health secretary Matt Hancock announced earlier this week that the ExCeL centre in east London would become a field hospital. The site will have two wards of 2,000 beds to cope with any dramatic increase of patients in the capital.
On Wednesday, the Health Service Journal (HSJ) reported that leaders were “urgently” locating staff who could be posted at NHS Nightingale.
An email from a London trust chief executive to staff, seen by the news service, said a response was needed within hours and accommodation would be provided to workers if necessary.
It added: “The urgency in identifying staff is to allow time for training to take place before opening to patients.”
Required workers at the hospital include consultants, GPs and critical care nurses, as well as non-clinical staff such as porters and administrators".
We used to holiday quite a lot in the South so I noticed it more there myself.
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