Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[MikeH72]

But they are still dying though? So it's unavoidable with this logic. No matter what we do vunerable and elderly will die from covid.

I'm not talking a complete 100% stopping of such an occurrence here but the numbers are still running from 700 to 1000 a week. That's still a big chunk of weekly deaths iregardless of everything else thrown in. That figure hasn't changed much for a while now. It's lower than it was but the levelled out figure is still 100-150 a day give or take.

So if the elderly and vunerable are still at risk from covid now as they were before, even if you have decreased the number a little bit, then you can't prevent that ever from not happening. Doesn't matter how many vaccines you have if it isn't preventing 100s from dying still every single week from it.

So then logically , why are we still running the same circle again if it's unavoidable and only affecting largely those two groups?

How do we stop that?

You can’t stop people dying mate, no.

 

[efcfanwirral]

But they are still dying though? So it's unavoidable with this logic. No matter what we do vunerable and elderly will die from covid.

I'm not talking a complete 100% stopping of such an occurrence here but the numbers are still running from 700 to 1000 a week. That's still a big chunk of weekly deaths iregardless of everything else thrown in. That figure hasn't changed much for a while now. It's lower than it was but the levelled out figure is still 100-150 a day give or take.

So if the elderly and vunerable are still at risk from covid now as they were before, even if you have decreased the number a little bit, then you can't prevent that ever from not happening. Doesn't matter how many vaccines you have if it isn't preventing 100s from dying still every single week from it.

So then logically , why are we still running the same circle again if it's unavoidable and only affecting largely those two groups?

How do we stop that?

Like I said to Mike.

Then all of this is for nothing really? If the whole point is to protect the old and vunerable even now and we still aren't doing it to the tune of hundreds every single week , then none of this is an answer to the problem

See when I thought it was mainly unvaccinated , that was a logical answer to the problem as to why things aren't improving. But if things aren't improving no matter what we do, and the figures were largely similar for months , then we are all protecting the people who ultimately make up the statistics anyway hospital and death wise.

So it's unavoidable basically.

Honestly that's where my head's at

I think the answer to if it was truly all unvaccinated would be in policy - you'd pretty much have every unvaccinated person under house arrest and the country would cheer it on IF that meant it all ended tomorrow for everyone else. I think despite the rhetoric from France ("non citizens"), Canada (completely blamed just today) and others, its very telling that hasn't been done here because it'd actually be a very popular policy. If it was scientifically grounded I reckon they wouldn't hesitate.

 

[BlueToff]

Like I said to Mike.

Then all of this is for nothing really? If the whole point is to protect the old and vunerable even now and we still aren't doing it to the tune of hundreds every single week , then none of this is an answer to the problem

See when I thought it was mainly unvaccinated , that was a logical answer to the problem as to why things aren't improving. But if things aren't improving no matter what we do, and the figures were largely similar for months , then we are all protecting the people who ultimately make up the statistics anyway hospital and death wise.

So it's unavoidable basically.

I don't think all of it is for nothing no. Because if everyone gets COVID and doesn't have some form of extra protection then the likelihood is that more people who aren't vulnerable will end up in hospital because that's how maths works. Let's say, for argument's sake because I don't know the right numbers, that 5% of COVID patients in hospital have no co-morbidities. They are healthy people who've had a really bad hit from it (can happen, we know this, it's just relatively unlikely).

The vaccines reduce the likelihood of anyone at all going to hospital, vulnerable or not. So you reduce the overall numbers and therefore reduce the amount of people with no existing conditions ending up in hospital.

So it's definitely not all for nothing.

 

[Neiler]

Like I said to Mike.

Then all of this is for nothing really? If the whole point is to protect the old and vunerable even now and we still aren't doing it to the tune of hundreds every single week , then none of this is an answer to the problem

See when I thought it was mainly unvaccinated , that was a logical answer to the problem as to why things aren't improving. But if things aren't improving no matter what we do, and the figures were largely similar for months , then we are all protecting the people who ultimately make up the statistics anyway hospital and death wise.

So it's unavoidable basically.

Think this is the info your after pal.

COVID admissions rise in over-50s

Ashish Joshi has all the latest COVID data, including a rise in hospital admissions among older age groups.

news.sky.com

 

[RAFUH]

So essentially I'm back to the question I asked earlier.

Who exactly are in the hospital beds?

Data from my hospital. Slightly older data as we now have 167 patients with COVID.
The major predictor for admission is vaccination status. Those admitted and vaccinated tend not to have had a booster, are immune compromised, elderly, and/or have serious underlying health conditions.

 

[EFCPaul]

Then what covid patients are filling hospitals then?

If it's not younger / unvaccinated people then it's older people that are vaccinated. Which means the vaccinations aren't working? Which isn't true, they are literally designed to stop that happening.

So who is going to hospital? The biggest amount of unvaccinated are in the younger age groups. The biggest risk from covid is in unvaccinated people.

It's older folk and/or people with underlying health problems who are getting the virus and going to hospital, in both cases because their immunes systems just aren't strong enough to fight it off without proper care. It's very rare a perfectly well person who has a decent immune system will catch a strain so strong they need a doctor to treat them. People need to get vaccinated to protect themselves, that's the best way we get to eventual herd immunity and how all viruses eventually die out.

People who wont get jabbed for no reason other than they simply don't like being advised by others what's good for them, or because they believe some random article written by an anti-vax crackpot over the advice of the best scientists in the world, well I respect their right to decide what goes into their bodies but they are the ones directly dragging this pandemic out. They're catching it, passing it on to vulnerable people around them and in-turn the health services are being overwhelmed. That's the issue here, people are being pushed towards getting vaccinated because that is what will help to finally see an end to this pandemic. If you refuse wrll then fine, but you've got no right to expect the same treatment as people who have done their bit to help.

Djokovic clearly has no valid medical exemption, he just thought his starpower would mean they'd bend the rules for him. He's had a rude awakening and I'm made up about it.

 

[EFCPaul]

Whole thing is just so overtly political now, it’s pathetic really.

He could literally pay for his own tests every day; before and after matches if that’s what they wanted. The fact that isn’t an option is bizarre.

You're missing the point entirely. They dont want people to be vaccinated to stop them spreading the virus, having no jab or all 3 makes no difference about whether you can catch it and spread it to other people. It means you're immune system is strong enough to fight it off should you get it. Herd immunity is the way out of this.

They've set the rules, if you don't want to get a jab to do your bit to help kill the virus then we're not letting you come in or out, that simple. Every Australian now has to live with this law change, just because you're a famous sports star doesn't mean it doesnt apply to you Novak. Made up they've legged him.

 

[Wizard]

You're missing the point entirely. They dont want people to be vaccinated to stop them spreading the virus, having no jab or all 3 makes no difference about whether you can catch it and spread it to other people. It means you're immune system is strong enough to fight it off should you get it. Herd immunity is the way out of this.

They've set the rules, if you don't want to get a jab to do your bit to help kill the virus then we're not letting you come in or out, that simple. Every Australian now has to live with this law change, just because you're a famous sports star doesn't mean it doesnt apply to you Novak. Made up they've legged him.

I agree with a lot of this but there is a lot of evidence that the vaccine does make you less likely to catch it. Which some people don’t still understand (not saying you) but is a point that still needs to be repeated.

 

[Walken]

Sorry, that's not the issue the health service has.

The issue is 10+ years of austerity and managed decline from this tory government, readying it for privatisation- covid isn't helping, but there's a crisis every winter, and the system is stretched all year round.

Will this be enough to wake people up to how the tories have treated our services? I doubt it, shy tories always search hard enough for reasons to keep voting for them and individual greed will triumph

 

[hirons11]

A less controversial take would be this


Women and men’s immune systems work differently

Sex differences in immune responses - Nature Reviews Immunology

In this Review the authors discuss some of the key differences that exist between male and female immune functions. They explain how these differences lead to sex biases in susceptibility to infections, inflammatory diseases and cancer. Moreover, they highlight the urgent need for immunologists...

www.nature.com

It is increasingly important to acknowledge sex differences in immune responses when we consider the marked differences seen between males in females in various diseases. For instance, 80% of autoimmune disease occurs in females, women with acute HIV infection have 40% less viral RNA in their blood than men, men show an almost twofold higher risk of death from malignant cancer than women and antibody responses to seasonal influenza vaccines are consistently at least twice as strong in women than men. Generally, adult females mount stronger innate and adaptive immune responses than males. This results in faster clearance of pathogens and greater vaccine efficacy in females than in males but also contributes to their increased susceptibility to inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. In this Review, we explain how these immunological differences between the sexes reflect hormonal, genetic and environmental effects on the immune system that can change throughout life in humans.

So in short man flu really does exist. I knew it and now my wife owes me a very big apology. Thanks for posting

 

[The binman chronicles]

I'm happy that Djokovic has been given his marching orders, although I'm not going to celebrate until his appeals are thrown out too.

Hopefully he just takes the hint and gets vaccinated, while there are people like him around doing whatever he wants the unvaccinated have a poster boy to look up to and when that can cost or change lives that is not on.

 

[Nymzee]

Anyone know if COVID symptoms can appear even after you’ve had it? I had my negative LFD after 10 days on 31st December but all yesterday, last night and this morning I’ve got a terrible cough which I never had during my COVID “stint”.

 

[NathDogg]

I'm happy that Djokovic has been given his marching orders, although I'm not going to celebrate until his appeals are thrown out too.

Hopefully he just takes the hint and gets vaccinated, while there are people like him around doing whatever he wants the unvaccinated have a poster boy to look up to and when that can cost or change lives that is not on.

Sorry, it's a farce tbh.

How was he issued exemption status following 2 independent reviews and then allowed to travel to Oz?

It's been completely politicised due to the backlash from the massively lockdowned population in Oz (rightly so imo) and the fact that there is an upcoming election to win.

If he never qualified for it He should never have got the exemption and then this shithshow never happens.

It's all bollocks.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Sorry, it's a farce tbh.

How was he issued exemption status following 2 independent reviews and then allowed to travel to Oz?

It's been completely politicised due to the backlash from the massively lockdowned population in Oz (rightly so imo) and the fact that there is an upcoming election to win.

If he never qualified for it He should never have got the exemption and then this shithshow never happens.

It's all bollocks.

They definitely made the decision at the border due to the political impact and backlash. If his excuse for not getting vaccine is because he's had COVID 4 months ago I have no idea how he's been given an exception.

 

[Deckard2049]

I agree with a lot of this but there is a lot of evidence that the vaccine does make you less likely to catch it. Which some people don’t still understand (not saying you) but is a point that still needs to be repeated.

As soon as reinfections starts being properly counted in the data then this evidence will fall apart. I know over 30 people alone (including myself) who were at a minimum doubly vaccinated who all got covid in December.