Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Ghost Rider]

But the odds are in your favour with COVID mate.

Tons of people got COVID in the first waves when the vaccine wasn't here and didn't end up in hospital. It was a very small percentage of people that ended up in hospital - just a lot of people got it.

Then what covid patients are filling hospitals then?

If it's not younger / unvaccinated people then it's older people that are vaccinated. Which means the vaccinations aren't working? Which isn't true, they are literally designed to stop that happening.

So who is going to hospital? The biggest amount of unvaccinated are in the younger age groups. The biggest risk from covid is in unvaccinated people.

 

[BlueToff]

You do know the difference between hospitalisation and death don't you?

Are you seriously suggesting that the majority of people who got COVID before the vaccines were phased in ended up in hospital?

Yes, of course there was an increased risk at that time and now if you're unvaccinated the relative risk of having a serious illness if you get COVID is higher than if you're vaccinated.

However, that risk is still very small. COVID isn't something that hospitalises 90% of people it infects. It's in the single figures percentage wise. The mortality rate of the first variant was around 0.7% or something

 

[Ghost Rider]

You are chatting absolute bum hole mate. Stop it.

So who is going to hospital then and filling the beds up? The vaccinated?

 

[BlueToff]

Then what covid patients are filling hospitals then?

If it's not younger / unvaccinated people then it's older people that are vaccinated. Which means the vaccinations aren't working? Which isn't true, they are literally designed to stop that happening.

So who is going to hospital? The biggest amount of unvaccinated are in the younger age groups. The biggest risk from covid is in unvaccinated people.

What's your point here?

The vaccines offer protection against COVID, yes. But COVID doesn't send you to hospital if you're not vaccinated as a guarantee.

There's tons of vaccinated people in hospital too.

 

[MikeH72]

So who is going to hospital then and filling the beds up? The vaccinated?

The vulnerable mate.

 

[BlueToff]

So who is going to hospital then and filling the beds up? The vaccinated?

For some reason this is the latest data available and it's from last week, but this is the percentages of people in hospital with/due to Omicron who are unvaccinated in England.

It's 25%

 

[Ghost Rider]

Are you seriously suggesting that the majority of people who got COVID before the vaccines were phased in ended up in hospital?

Yes, of course there was an increased risk at that time and now if you're unvaccinated the relative risk of having a serious illness if you get COVID is higher than if you're vaccinated.

However, that risk is still very small. COVID isn't something that hospitalises 90% of people it infects. It's in the single figures percentage wise. The mortality rate of the first variant was around 0.7% or something

It's like I'm saying one thing and getting a reply for something completely different?!

I'm not talking about cases , or deaths or anything like that. It's the people who are filling the hospital beds directly due to covid.

im not on about how many test positive, who exactly is occupying the hospital beds because they are ill with covid which is the issue the health service has?

 

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[BlueToff]

Look, if he doesn’t want to get the vaccine then fine. Still think he’s a bellend to not get it, especially when you read some of his opinions on health and science but it’s his choice. But you can’t then go making up medical exemptions to get around the rules. Which is exactly what seems to have happened here.

Well yes and no. The Aus Open and Aus government initially accepted it. It's only after the backlash that they've gone back on it and said it's an issue with his visa (which it may well be).

His reasoning is, apparently, that because he had COVID within six months before he was due to be vaccinated, he didn't get the vaccine.

Now I think that's a BS reason too but again it's his choice.

I'm torn here, as I absolutely agree that you can't just have exceptions because you're the world's best player. However, I absolutely hate the fact that vaccination is mandatory to get anywhere. I hate it, I hate that this is the way the world's going. If he's tested negative, then he should be allowed in. And that should be the same for every single person visiting every single country. It's their choice not to get vaccinated but simultaneously they have to take on the extra onus/stress of testing and therefore being extra careful not to get COVID.

I wouldn't mind as much if the vaccines were proven to be 100% effective at stopping you catch it, but they aren't. Christ, I should know, had my two jabs and had COVID bloody twice all in the space of six months, and will have my booster in 4 weeks.

 

[NathDogg]

It's like I'm saying one thing and getting a reply for something completely different?!

I'm not talking about cases , or deaths or anything like that. It's the people who are filling the hospital beds directly due to covid.

im not on about how many test positive, who exactly is occupying the hospital beds because they are ill with covid which is the issue the health service has?

Sorry, that's not the issue the health service has.

The issue is 10+ years of austerity and managed decline from this tory government, readying it for privatisation- covid isn't helping, but there's a crisis every winter, and the system is stretched all year round.

 

[BlueToff]

It's like I'm saying one thing and getting a reply for something completely different?!

I'm not talking about cases , or deaths or anything like that. It's the people who are filling the hospital beds directly due to covid.

im not on about how many test positive, who exactly is occupying the hospital beds because they are ill with covid which is the issue the health service has?

Well as of last week, 75% of the people in hospital with the new variant, in England, were vaccinated. That's the latest data available.

 

[MikeH72]

Sorry, that's not the issue the health service has.

The issue is 10+ years of austerity and managed decline from this tory government, readying it for privatisation- covid isn't helping, but there's a crisis every winter, and the system is stretched all year round.

Yes.

 

[Ghost Rider]

For some reason this is the latest data available and it's from last week, but this is the percentages of people in hospital with/due to Omicron who are unvaccinated in England.

It's 25%

That data doesn't tell you as much as you think it does.

Assuming the sgtf is s gene target failure. That doesn't tell you age or circumstance of those patients. That data doesn't tell you age groups of that percentage.

It does tell you the unvaccinated number is a lot higher than the vaccinated number. 25% to 8% for example.

So I ask again, who are the 25% then in hospital unvaccinated? Given the sheer amount of older age groups that have been vaccinated to 'almost' full levels compared to the younger age groups?

 

[Deckard2049]

Whole thing is just so overtly political now, it’s pathetic really.

He could literally pay for his own tests every day; before and after matches if that’s what they wanted. The fact that isn’t an option is bizarre.

 

[MikeH72]

That data doesn't tell you as much as you think it does.

Assuming the sgtf is s gene target failure. That doesn't tell you age or circumstance of those patients. That data doesn't tell you age groups of that percentage.

It does tell you the unvaccinated number is a lot higher than the vaccinated number. 25% to 8% for example.

So I ask again, who are the 25% then in hospital unvaccinated? Given the sheer amount of older age groups that have been vaccinated to 'almost' full levels compared to the younger age groups?

Do you have any data on the ages of people that are taking up hospital beds?