Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Walken]

@Neiler a Q&A with Trevor Bedford

What ships has he driven?

 

[degsy]

I don’t know what this means big D.

Yes you do - They (we) Never learn.
1918, 1956...Now; hard earned lessons of what does and, more importantly Doesn't work fade, are allowed to fade...usually due to either, but probably both from; Cost, Political Expediency...which are usually one and the same thing.

Oh, there will be an 'Enquiry' ..."we need to look at these topics - but Not these (actual blame)" and a report will be published.
But 95% of the points raised..."In the future, we need to make sure we do this and have these ready, etc." will not be acted on.
"How Much !"
I've seen them all...Aberfan, Rollover car ferries, Concord crash, Floods, Droughts, at least 2, the first In 1976 said... there is enough water it just falls in the wrong place - we need a National water grid like the power grid ("How Much !")...25, 30, 35 yrs on same problem, same basic report.

Lessons may be learned, but they are soon forgotten, especially if theycost a few bob and dont tick boxes with voters, which, after all, is what its all about really.

 

[Amw79]

Yes you do - They (we) Never learn.
1918, 1956...Now; hard earned lessons of what does and, more importantly Doesn't work fade, are allowed to fade...usually due to either, but probably both from; Cost, Political Expediency...which are usually one and the same thing.

Oh, there will be an 'Enquiry' ..."we need to look at these topics - but Not these (actual blame)" and a report will be published.
But 95% of the points raised..."In the future, we need to make sure we do this and have these ready, etc." will not be acted on.
"How Much !"
I've seen them all...Aberfan, Rollover car ferries, Concord crash, Floods, Droughts, at least 2, the first In 1976 said... there is enough water it just falls in the wrong place - we need a National water grid like the power grid ("How Much !")...25, 30, 35 yrs on same problem, same basic report.

Lessons may be learned, but they are soon forgotten, especially if theycost a few bob and dont tick boxes with voters, which, after all, is what its all about really.

Okey doke mate.

EDIT: I’ve re-read your post, and generally agree with it. But I took exception to you saying “yes you do“ when I didnt have a Scooby what you were on about. I didn’t get your point, but I think I do now.

I generally agree that we probably won’t learn the lessons we need to learn, to prepare ourselves for the next pandemic. But Im an optimist, so I’d like to think we can not repeat the mistakes of the past.

EDIT2: I read something recently which said the problem with pandemics, is that they occur so infrequently that there’s no living memory of the previous event, which makes us complacent, with no first hand experience to drive the response.

 

[Walken]

Yes you do - They (we) Never learn.
1918, 1956...Now; hard earned lessons of what does and, more importantly Doesn't work fade, are allowed to fade...usually due to either, but probably both from; Cost, Political Expediency...which are usually one and the same thing.

Oh, there will be an 'Enquiry' ..."we need to look at these topics - but Not these (actual blame)" and a report will be published.
But 95% of the points raised..."In the future, we need to make sure we do this and have these ready, etc." will not be acted on.
"How Much !"
I've seen them all...Aberfan, Rollover car ferries, Concord crash, Floods, Droughts, at least 2, the first In 1976 said... there is enough water it just falls in the wrong place - we need a National water grid like the power grid ("How Much !")...25, 30, 35 yrs on same problem, same basic report.

Lessons may be learned, but they are soon forgotten, especially if theycost a few bob and dont tick boxes with voters, which, after all, is what its all about really.

In a lot of industry disaster later leads to legislation, I'm sure Horatio potato will back me up here, one Roro ferry disaster led to the implementation of international safety management systems, the basis of most ships safety management systems and legally required and continually surveyed certification. The titanic led to the introduction of safety of life at sea, still a backbone of rules to prevent injury or loss of life. The aviation industry, the well informed @SerenityNigh tells me the regulations are written in blood, remember that after 9/11 Airport travel was never the same.

I do hear what you are saying, and as a species we have short memories, especially in the more nuanced world of politics. But despite the loud cries for less government in all aspects, disaster has a history in most industries of leading to a safer governed atmosphere. Looking back at your examples you do make a good point in what governments can bury and move on past quite quickly and still have seemingly compassionate people vote for them (grenfell being a very recent and pertinent example of this), but I think it is a bit more split than that. Where that leaves the lessons learned from Covid I'm really not sure.

 

[degsy]

In a lot of industry disaster later leads to legislation, I'm sure Horatio potato will back me up here, one Roro ferry disaster led to the implementation of international safety management systems, the basis of most ships safety management systems and legally required and continually surveyed certification. The titanic led to the introduction of safety of life at sea, still a backbone of rules to prevent injury or loss of life. The aviation industry, the well informed @SerenityNigh tells me the regulations are written in blood, remember that after 9/11 Airport travel was never the same.

...Where that leaves the lessons learned from Covid I'm really not sure.

Probably slowly forgotten.
But

Okey doke mate.

EDIT: I’ve re-read your post, and generally agree with it.

EDIT2: I read something recently which said the problem with pandemics, is that they occur so infrequently that there’s no living memory of the previous event, which makes us complacent, with no first hand experience to drive the response.

Hmm.
1918,19,20
1956,
Looks a long time, but isnt really. Somebody might be a junior in 1920 but a senior 36yrs later, but I take your point.

When it comes to Governments, I think they are like Kenwright - if they/he told me it was Wednesday I'd check to see if it wasn't Tuesday or Thursday and the money is Always 'Ring Fenced'.

 

[nikom court]

Why are people seemingly confidently talking about an incoming lockdown?

because it is happening all over europe and the uk usually follows suit!

 

[CharliePotato]

That's just a two day course.

Hence the sarcasm

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Corbyn really is a massive twunt.

The Met Police have released a statement saying there is no evidence that he's done anything wrong and they can't investigate past events.

 

[mill]

I really don't think 12 yr olds should be getting vaccinated. Sorry, I don't agree with it. Young adults, by all means. Kids... I don't think they should be doing it. Kids in the UK get vaccinated when they're young, obviously, and then again around 15-16 for TB etc. I don't see that being an issue. I do think 12 is too young given the still early stages of the vaccines.

Primary school aged kids are also given the flu vaccine every year (parents can opt out). That’s a booster that’s modified each year. Are you opposed to that?

The only real difference (at the moment) is delivery method (flu vaccine is nasal).

 

[Kev50]

Sorry mate but I don’t equate Covid being very safe for kids when it is in the top 10 of causes for death for US kids aged 5-14 every month but June. True it is a lot better than for adults but still there is a risk and fhere is no guarantee that relative good fortune continues with future Covid variants.

For all vaccines so far in history any side effects have been discovered within two months https://www.chop.edu/news/long-term-side-effects-covid-19-vaccine so tbh I’m not quite sure what advantage waiting longer for data would give and how long would count as enough time? Almost 13 million US kids 12-17 alone have been vaccinated in the last six months so there is a pretty large data set.

Short of keeping them isolated kids are going to be exposed to Covid. Personally I’d prefer to trust that a vaccine developed by scientists with safety in mind (and with data to back it up) over a virus with no interest in what damage it does to the host as long as it replicates and pretty sure I’d feel the same if I had kids but guess you never know.

I don't think that's accurate to say there is a pertinent risk for children from covid. I would like to drill down into those stats you have mentioned. How many of those children who died had serious underlying conditions, and how many deaths does it take to make the top ten in one month? I suspect that it's not many. If you come back and we work out that for healthy children the risk is hundreds of thousands to one, then that is not a risk surely that should be worked into our calculations.

 

[mill]

I don't think that's accurate to say there is a pertinent risk for children from covid. I would like to drill down into those stats you have mentioned. How many of those children who died had serious underlying conditions, and how many deaths does it take to make the top ten in one month? I suspect that it's not many. If you come back and we work out that for healthy children the risk is hundreds of thousands to one, then that is not a risk surely that should be worked into our calculations.

The risks of the vaccine are even lower than that of covid itself. So why the reluctance?

 

[toffee82]

The risks of the vaccine are even lower than that of covid itself. So why the reluctance?

As a parent, it's a strange one.

I am very pro vaccine. Got my jabs and booster as soon as I possibly could but it is not as straightforward deciding on someone else's behalf (my kid is 6 so we haven't had to make the decision yet).

It could well be irrational but that's why it is hard to explain or figure out.

 

[mill]

As a parent, it's a strange one.

I am very pro vaccine. Got my jabs and booster as soon as I possibly could but it is not as straightforward deciding on someone else's behalf (my kid is 6 so we haven't had to make the decision yet).

It could well be irrational but that's why it is hard to explain or figure out.

I’ve got an 8 year old. We decide nearly everything on her behalf. We didn’t ask her which school she wanted to do to for instance. She doesn’t really decide what she has for tea or what clothes we buy for her.

She’s had vaccines before as well and we didn’t ask her whether she wanted them. She has the flu vaccine every year. As parents we made that decision for her. Same as with other medicine when she’s been sick.

I’m guessing most parents are the same. And the vast majority of children have already been vaccinated in some form.

The issue is that people think because this vaccine is relatively new that it’s somewhat dangerous relative to others. Which is a misguided assumption, especially in comparison to the potential dangers of Covid itself.

Just as aside, I just asked her about it and she said she wanted it. Which surprised me as she hates ‘pins’ (as she’s always called it).

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I have pantomime tickets for the
29th and tickets for a Guns and Roses tribute band on 7th Jan.

Oh Santa in heaven, please send your holy reindeer to smite this virus so I may enjoy these festive events in your honour.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

"cmon lets get our vaccines so we can get back to normal"???

Here like others was full of it about vaccines will fly you to the moon vaccines will bring you tea in bed vaccines will end lock downs. Vaccines only ever part of the answer. There is some pure comedy gold but is very counterproductive as I feared.