Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Diogenes the Cynic]

In a lot of industry disaster later leads to legislation, I'm sure Horatio potato will back me up here, one Roro ferry disaster led to the implementation of international safety management systems, the basis of most ships safety management systems and legally required and continually surveyed certification. The titanic led to the introduction of safety of life at sea, still a backbone of rules to prevent injury or loss of life. The aviation industry, the well informed @SerenityNigh tells me the regulations are written in blood, remember that after 9/11 Airport travel was never the same.

I do hear what you are saying, and as a species we have short memories, especially in the more nuanced world of politics. But despite the loud cries for less government in all aspects, disaster has a history in most industries of leading to a safer governed atmosphere. Looking back at your examples you do make a good point in what governments can bury and move on past quite quickly and still have seemingly compassionate people vote for them (grenfell being a very recent and pertinent example of this), but I think it is a bit more split than that. Where that leaves the lessons learned from Covid I'm really not sure.

Horatio Spud.

Bahaha

 

[dublinbluenose]

This is encouraging, SA having a much shorter wave than with previous variants

 

[Deckard2049]

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I have pantomime tickets for the
29th and tickets for a Guns and Roses tribute band on 7th Jan.

Oh Santa in heaven, please send your holy reindeer to smite this virus so I may enjoy these festive events in your honour.

See 27th is rumoured as possible national lockdown day.

Don't see the point people would have done their travelling back and forth, done whatever to swap various pathogens including COVID gang.

If we do at least we get another "freedom day".

 

[Harryflashman]

See 27th is rumoured as possible national lockdown day.

Don't see the point people would have done their travelling back and forth, done whatever to swap various pathogens including COVID gang.

If we do at least we get another "freedom day".

He won’t want to see himself as ‘cancelling Christmas’ and no point in doing it when families are still together on Boxing Day . 27th means he can address the nation on a bank holiday .

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

In Germany at min wouldn’t know.

No you’re not your little fibber

 

[BlueToff]

Primary school aged kids are also given the flu vaccine every year (parents can opt out). That’s a booster that’s modified each year. Are you opposed to that?

The only real difference (at the moment) is delivery method (flu vaccine is nasal).

I'm not opposed to the flu vaccine because we've had it for longer, it's definitively safe for all ages. I'm not opposed to this vaccine, when that's proven and I do still think there's doubts of some - rare - side-effects negating the positives of young children having the vaccine.

But, I am for kids getting the vaccine when they're more towards 15/16. And in a year's time if they can develop a vaccine dose that, like the flu vaccine, can be administered annually then perhaps then look at it in younger kids.

i don't think that's a controversial opinion to hold. I think every adult should get the vaccine and 16-17 year olds too, and I don't see anything wrong with 15-16 yr olds getting it in school either.

 

[BlueToff]

that's about exactly the same (70%) incidental admission rate as we saw in South Africa.

We're going to know more in a week but if they blink and lockdown there should be no coming back. There is no need for it based on cases alone.

 

[Neiler]

@Neiler a Q&A with Trevor Bedford

Yikes 90% of the population!

 

[mill]

I'm not opposed to the flu vaccine because we've had it for longer, it's definitively safe for all ages. I'm not opposed to this vaccine, when that's proven and I do still think there's doubts of some - rare - side-effects negating the positives of young children having the vaccine.

But, I am for kids getting the vaccine when they're more towards 15/16. And in a year's time if they can develop a vaccine dose that, like the flu vaccine, can be administered annually then perhaps then look at it in younger kids.

i don't think that's a controversial opinion to hold. I think every adult should get the vaccine and 16-17 year olds too, and I don't see anything wrong with 15-16 yr olds getting it in school either.

The flu vaccine is modified every year.

 

[BlueToff]

The flu vaccine is modified every year.

I know it is, a slight tweak for the variant that year.

I think that's what we'll see with the COVID jab, and that's when we should be giving it out to primary school children, IMO.

 

[summerisle]

Michel Roux talking giving it full cojones on Sky just now.

 

[BlueToff]

Yikes 90% of the population!

Aye which is why you can see governments would be worried with that many people exposed.

But so far, it's just showing cold-like symptoms. And, as that article states, it's not actually reached 90%.

I suppose the issue is we don't know exactly why. The assumption, from the reading/watching I've been doing over the last week, is that Omicron would hit a 'wall of immunity'. Now in SA, that immunity is mostly from natural infection. In the UK, and Ireland, the immunity is mostly from vaccination (but a fair bit of natural infection too). So I suppose the worry is it's unclear exactly what is stopping it...

 

[summerisle]

 

[mill]

I know it is, a slight tweak for the variant that year.

I think that's what we'll see with the COVID jab, and that's when we should be giving it out to primary school children, IMO.

But that’s the phase we are at. Vaccines are being adapted to variants. The type of vaccine is well trialed. The vaccines themselves are well trialed beyond the point of statistical significance. The only real variable that is markedly different is *time*. And I’m not sure, particularly after a 3-6 month period, that’s a massively significant variable in all this.

I think people assume that because the vaccine is *newer* it is more dangerous and that time is a major factor. But realistically, the stage we are at in medical advancement, it’s probably the opposite.

Standing on the shoulder of giants and all that.