Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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How old is your lad mate? Think we might have discussed this, is he 13-14?

I know he obviously has personal experience.

Different, but my dad nearly died when I was 12. He developed a nasty, respiratory bug that resulted in him getting severe COPD and he was on his deathbed at one stage. I think at one stage he literally had to crawl out of the bed he was on initially because nobody was seeing him, he had to grab a nurse's foot and they all realised how bad he was - apparently the doctor who then came nearly throttled someone he was that mad that my dad hadn't been seen to. But yeah, it was a close call and was a harrowing experience going into see him. Suppose I wasn't old enough at the time to realise that my mum was putting on a braver face about things, but she's like that, typical northerner who just gets on with things. Now he was extremely stressed through work, and he smoked and drank. He no longer smokes from that day on - just went cold turkey after 30 years of smoking every day - but seeing him like that made me realise there was never any need for me to start smoking, because that obviously led to him being so compromised.

I know personal experience obviously shapes your decision making and your son's decision making. I'm just not comfortable I suppose at the thoughts of kids being vaccinated when there's still a lot of questions about it, for the sake of waiting for them to be a few years older (15/16-18)

I have a friend, pediatric hospitalist. He’s not been the same since going through the delta wave.
 
How old is your lad mate? Think we might have discussed this, is he 13-14?

I know he obviously has personal experience.

Different, but my dad nearly died when I was 12. He developed a nasty, respiratory bug that resulted in him getting severe COPD and he was on his deathbed at one stage. I think at one stage he literally had to crawl out of the bed he was on initially because nobody was seeing him, he had to grab a nurse's foot and they all realised how bad he was - apparently the doctor who then came nearly throttled someone he was that mad that my dad hadn't been seen to. But yeah, it was a close call and was a harrowing experience going into see him. Suppose I wasn't old enough at the time to realise that my mum was putting on a braver face about things, but she's like that, typical northerner who just gets on with things. Now he was extremely stressed through work, and he smoked and drank. He no longer smokes from that day on - just went cold turkey after 30 years of smoking every day - but seeing him like that made me realise there was never any need for me to start smoking, because that obviously led to him being so compromised.

I know personal experience obviously shapes your decision making and your son's decision making. I'm just not comfortable I suppose at the thoughts of kids being vaccinated when there's still a lot of questions about it, for the sake of waiting for them to be a few years older (15/16-18)

Yes mate, 13yo he is.

Sounds like a harrowing experience mate and certainly not one that you want to go through as young lad.

Like a lot of things in life, whether that be a single man/woman or a mum or dad with kids, there's a thousand questions we have (and not all have the answers) about what's going on. Are we rushing decisions, are we too slow, what of this happens and that leads to this etc.

Me and the missus have to trust our judgement, listen to our son and then come up with the best decisions we can. Let alone vaccines mate, I can sit up at night thinking about what to make them for tea the next day or if I've got their uniform ready for school lol

I had issues with my dad when I was a similar age to you mate, this wouldn't be the place to discuss them but honestly I do know where you are coming from and how they play a part and yes I've no doubt what happened last winter will play a part in my sons thinking. I can speak open and honestly and say that fear from last year sits on my shoulder at this moment in time and is definitely something you try to hide as a parent. As said previously, he's 10x the lad I was, as they're dealing with something that we've never had to go through growing up.
 
I have a friend, pediatric hospitalist. He’s not been the same since going through the delta wave.

I read something interesting the other day which was that Covid mortality through the age ranges has a horizontal L shape on a graph (I.e. very low from young ages, then jumps up massively in higher ages cohorts). Whereas Flu has a U shaped mortality graph, in that it has high mortality in the very young and the very old, but not much between.

Made me wonder how society would have reacted with a different age mortality rate, as you’d expect a much different reaction had the virus had a more serious mortality impact on the very young.
 
I have a friend, pediatric hospitalist. He’s not been the same since going through the delta wave.
Like I said to Legs, I do see and hear all of the reasons... I dunno it just doesn't sit easy with me for whatever reason but maybe it's misplaced.

My cousin has COVID now, she's 10. Luckily she's fine. Seems like Omicron as all the symptoms and no cough. Two of my other cousins, who are 4 and 6, both had it a few weeks ago and were running around the room after a day, they were fine. Just dead weird how it effects some and not others and there's no rhyme or reason to it.

I guess what I'm uneasy about might be more 5-6 year olds all lining up for their jabs. I think in the future, when there has been more time, sure. I'm just not so certain yet. It looks like there's a good chance adults are gonna have to be jabbed every year as it is the rate this is going
 
I read something interesting the other day which was that Covid mortality through the age ranges has a horizontal L shape on a graph (I.e. very low from young ages, then jumps up massively in higher ages cohorts). Whereas Flu has a U shaped mortality graph, in that it has high mortality in the very young and the very old, but not much between.

Made me wonder how society would have reacted with a different age mortality rate, as you’d expect a much different reaction had the virus had a more serious mortality impact on the very young.
tbf mate the reaction has been pretty serious hasn't it? But I get where you're coming from in that yeah naturally you're probably more likely to be protective of young than old. But that's, frankly, just evolution and human/animal nature coming to the fore. Survival of your species kind of stuff. It's ingrained in us.
 
tbf mate the reaction has been pretty serious hasn't it? But I get where you're coming from in that yeah naturally you're probably more likely to be protective of young than old. But that's, frankly, just evolution and human/animal nature coming to the fore. Survival of your species kind of stuff. It's ingrained in us.

Yeah, the reaction has been serious. I probably mis-phrased that. I was thinking more in terms of those who are sceptical or distrustful of vaccines / lockdowns / seriousness, and how either a more deadly virus, or a virus which was differently targeted would change people’s view of the correct measures to take.

You’re right, of course, it’s an evolutionary protective instinct coming into play.

I suppose I’m thinking of how we should learn from this virus, and how the next one (in 100 years or whatever) could be differently targeted.
 
I hope Portugal ban UK nationals so I can get money back on my cancelled holiday.
Finally; a sensible comment. No, seriously it is. One guy has assessed things as it effects him and that's all you can do.
I'll wear a mask if its likely there'll be people sneezing and coughing around me, its not ideal but people are dirty walking bags of infection - they always were and still are.
But who had a mask pre covid?? And anyway you'd feel you looked daft and everybody would look at you.
But I totally against Covid pissports (I know, it was a typo, but I left it in) and medical apartheid...As a principle.
Do I have one ? Yes.
Its Probably for my own good, like crash helmets and seat belts.

You either Do feel comfortable going to a football match with the guy behind you shouting at the back of your head from a distance of 18inches
or
You Dont.
Do you have one?
Yes? Good.
Did they check it? Maybe
Did they check the guy behind you? Who knows?.

Just me I know, but I've given up on all that check in with your phone nonsense...unless they have a bouncer on the offy door 'Insisting' I do before I buy 6 cans of Kilkenny - they can do one.

The whole thing is a total dogs breakfast, made worse by our elected leaders...probably for their own political reasons, but it was nice to have a mini rant.
 
Yeah, the reaction has been serious. I probably mis-phrased that. I was thinking more in terms of those who are sceptical or distrustful of vaccines / lockdowns / seriousness, and how either a more deadly virus, or a virus which was differently targeted would change people’s view of the correct measures to take.

You’re right, of course, it’s an evolutionary protective instinct coming into play.

I suppose I’m thinking of how we should learn from this virus, and how the next one (in 100 years or whatever) could be differently targeted.
Dream On sunshine, dream on - the next time will be the first
 
I see and hear it Legs, really do. It's just a personal thing. Kids are very safe if they get COVID, though obviously there is the risk they bring it to their parents - that being said, if parents/older siblings etc are vaccinated, it reduces the risk in that regard.

I think people need to make their own decisions about getting the vaccine and at 12 I'm not sure you can do that, nevermind 5.

it's a difficult decision and I'm not a parent either. I have no issue with kids being vaccinated in school, at the age of 15 or perhaps even 14 as is done with TB (I think I would have been 15 but I'd have been in the penultimate year of high school so maybe even 14).

That being said, it's more about I think there needs to be more studies into the potential side effects of the vaccines on children and I don't think there has been enough time to do that just yet. On adults there is enough data to show they are safe
Sorry mate but I don’t equate Covid being very safe for kids when it is in the top 10 of causes for death for US kids aged 5-14 every month but June. True it is a lot better than for adults but still there is a risk and fhere is no guarantee that relative good fortune continues with future Covid variants.

For all vaccines so far in history any side effects have been discovered within two months https://www.chop.edu/news/long-term-side-effects-covid-19-vaccine so tbh I’m not quite sure what advantage waiting longer for data would give and how long would count as enough time? Almost 13 million US kids 12-17 alone have been vaccinated in the last six months so there is a pretty large data set.

Short of keeping them isolated kids are going to be exposed to Covid. Personally I’d prefer to trust that a vaccine developed by scientists with safety in mind (and with data to back it up) over a virus with no interest in what damage it does to the host as long as it replicates and pretty sure I’d feel the same if I had kids but guess you never know.
 
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