Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tubey]

And there are so uncomfortable truths around the vaccines.

I don't think they're uncomfortable enough for people to not take up the offer and genuine anti-vaxxers to me are insane, but they are there.

Indeed, but you engage based on the understanding that not every 'anti-vaxxer' is insane. All you can do is calmly and rationally explain the benefits of the vaccine and how they definitively outweigh the downsides. What we shouldn't do is just pretend there are no downsides.

 

[tsubaki]

We will never totally remove covid from society. It cannot be eliminated and will be here probably for the rest of our lives.

The only ostrich position in all of this is the belief that zero covid can be achieved and that restrictions are sustainable in the mid to long term.

We need to keep vaccinating, and giving out boosters, and finding better treatments. Anything that helps increase vaccine rates needs to be given a go. Lockdowns and restrictions actually make those sceptical less likely to get a vaccine because they think what's the point.

For about the 100th time, please don’t confuse totally eliminating COVID (which would be extremely difficult) with actually trying to contain it to prevent outbreaks (which is much less difficult and has prevented disease spread and lockdowns).

 

[cronullasharks]

Had my second jab of pfizer this arvo, pretty much everyone i know has been floored by the second jab. Had shoulder surgery 2 weeks ago to take the plates and screws out from when i shattered it last year which included a bone graft from my hip to fill where the break hadn't healed, and I've pulled a muscle in my back in the last few days so feeling like I've been hit by a truck lol

So not looking forward to the possible side effects of the jab if they hit me tomorrow to add to it.

 

[Amw79]

I couldn't have been more clear that I was purely guessing with no grounding in any sort of fact. Everyone can do that, it's harmless - it's only harmful if you say it's definitive.

Anti-vaxxers are almost completely irrational, and you fight them on the grounds where they are irrational. If you fight them on the grounds that certain stats are irrefutable when the reality is they aren't then you are fighting on their turf.

I’d probably disagree that it’s harmless, lots of speculation and guessing about things with no grounding could lead people to throw the baby out with the bath water, as many in this thread seem to do. (Not you though, clearly).

I agree with not claiming that the stats are definitive or irrefutable. As I say, doing data and statistics for a living, I’m well versed in explaining that stats are based on a particular methodology, and flagging all the known exceptions and caveats with it.

 

[Predictorchamp]

I heard on the news from an immunology prof that if you get say 2 Pfizer vacs and then third Pfizer booster then the first two make a barrier to the booster so you need a different booster type vac also they now think the jabs are effective for about 6 months so how can you go forward getting boosters every 6 months but requiring different type of vaccine for it to be effective ?? All very puzzling and short term .
I myself will keep house ventilated as much as possible especially when we have visitors also mask in enclosed public places also wash hands regularly.
I am not sure about getting another booster jab and am confused regarding going to the match for which I have a ST as no one wears masks and the guy next to me coughed a lot last week
But the stats say that things are getting markedly worse so please ventilate,distance,mask and wash hands
Keep safe COYB
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[JLW]

The hypocrisy in this is unreal.
He starts with the vaccines are great they work then goes onto say the unvaccinated can still pass it onto some who is vaccinated and they can still pass it on and still die if they have an underlying illness! Well That’s exactly the same scenario before the vaccines ‘only people with underlying issues will suffer’
So Tony the vaccines arent great are they?

 

[efcfanwirral]

I think it's time to deny hospital access and treatment for Covid and associated symptoms for anyone who has declined a vaccine. Treat them by phone via primary care. Should be similar to a DNR, no vaccination no treatment, no sympathy.

Masks for shops and public transport.

Vaccination passports for all pubs, gigs, events.

Deny access to all services to people who decline vaccines for anything other than the minute percentage for whom it is medically contraindicated, these people are worthless human garbage and should be treated as such.

It'll get there don't worry. Probably just needs to soften the public to accept such measures in a Western country a bit more...

 

[JLW]

I think it's time to deny hospital access and treatment for Covid and associated symptoms for anyone who has declined a vaccine. Treat them by phone via primary care. Should be similar to a DNR, no vaccination no treatment, no sympathy.

Masks for shops and public transport.

Vaccination passports for all pubs, gigs, events.

Deny access to all services to people who decline vaccines for anything other than the minute percentage for whom it is medically contraindicated, these people are worthless human garbage and should be treated as such.

This mentality is so wrong on so many levels it’s absurd.

What’s wrong you not confident in the vaccine you’ve had? You’re protected aren’t you? Unvaccinated people should offer little to no threat to you. If they do then what’s the point in pushing people to get vaccinated?

 

[ToffeeTim]

I think it's time to deny hospital access and treatment for Covid and associated symptoms for anyone who has declined a vaccine. Treat them by phone via primary care. Should be similar to a DNR, no vaccination no treatment, no sympathy.

Masks for shops and public transport.

Vaccination passports for all pubs, gigs, events.

Deny access to all services to people who decline vaccines for anything other than the minute percentage for whom it is medically contraindicated, these people are worthless human garbage and should be treated as such.

Not sure this is particularly ethical....

 

[Neiler]

Most developed countries should have in place this winter:

- Strong testing/quarantined measures depending on Vaccine Profile for travel.
- Mandatory Masks in public settings.
- Social Distance measures in all public places - including work and on Public Transport.
- Limits on hospitality - how many at a table, table service etc.
- Passports for hospitality/live events/hotels/weddings etc
- Antigen testing, for access to entertainment and hospitality - kiosks set up, that you can take an official test, to be provided by a passport to your phone to show a negative result to access hospitality.
- Strong regulations / enforcement of all of the above.

That's pretty much as safe as it can get living with Covid, then look at it next March.

To many countries sleep walking into the winter, the dogs on the street know, Autumn and Winter is prime time for this virus.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Most developed countries should have in place this winter:

- Strong testing/quarantined measures depending on Vaccine Profile for travel.
- Mandatory Masks in public settings.
- Social Distance measures in all public places - including work and on Public Transport.
- Limits on hospitality - how many at a table, table service etc.
- Passports for hospitality/live events/hotels/weddings etc
- Antigen testing, for access to entertainment and hospitality - kiosks set up, that you can take an official test, to be provided by a passport to your phone to show a negative result to access hospitality.
- Strong regulations / enforcement of all of the above.

That's pretty much as safe as it can get living with Covid, then look at it next March.

To many countries sleep walking into the winter, the dogs on the street know, Autumn and Winter is prime time for this virus.

If you believe this, then we'll need this every winter and that is entirely unsustainable.

What will be different next year?

We either trust the vaccines or we don't. I do trust them and want normality.

 

[Neiler]

If you believe this, then we'll need this every winter and that is entirely unsustainable.

What will be different next year?

We either trust the vaccines or we don't. I do trust them and want normality.

Course it will, Covid isnt going away, if thats what we think the vaccines provide we are fooling ourselves, they dont protect us fully, thus we cant trust them fully without other measures. That and they decline in protection 6 months post jab 2, AZ more so then the MRNA's.

The other measures break the chain of infection. Its getting the head down now until spring on the above in my opinion. To be honest, most responsible governments should have the above in place over the summer in addition to boosters for the most vulnerable and health care workers.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Course it will, Covid isnt going away, if thats what we think the vaccines provide we are fooling ourselves, they dont protect us fully, thus we cant trust them fully without other measures. That and they decline in protection 6 months post jab 2, AZ more so then the MRNA's.

The other measures break the chain of infection. Its getting the head down now until spring on the above in my opinion. To be honest, most responsible governments should have the above in place over the summer in addition to boosters for the most vulnerable and health care workers.

We cannot have restrictions every winter without destroying the economy and the fabric of society. It's completely irresponsible to still be relying on lockdown restrictions after approx. 20 months.

I believe that we have to trust the vaccines and get on with our lives. We cannot allow the normalisation of governments taking away personal freedoms. It actually scares me how many people are happy for this to become a permanent thing. Exceptional circumstances allowed for exceptional rules, but it shouldn't become the permanent position.

No vaccine or measure will ever give full protection. We don't live in a perfect world. But the vaccines are by far the best protection we have and we have to trust them. We cannot fully eradicate covid so we need long term plans, not short term moves where we rotate in and out of lockdown in perpetuity.

 

[mill]

This mentality is so wrong on so many levels it’s absurd.

What’s wrong you not confident in the vaccine you’ve had? You’re protected aren’t you? Unvaccinated people should offer little to no threat to you. If they do then what’s the point in pushing people to get vaccinated?

Why do we have to explain this over and over again. Vaccines reduce the spread because the lower your chance of getting the virus in the first place. The fewer people that get it, the better.

They do not make someone completely immune to serious illness and death however. They just vastly reduce the likelihood.

The more unvaccinated people there are, the bigger the spread, the bigger the likelihood of people will end up with serious illness or death (including vaccinated people).

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This will always make me chuckle.