Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[NilSatisOptimum]

You beat the anti vaxxers with facts; you don't by just dismissing uncomfortable truths just because they're advantageous to their cause.

The stats are flawed, is what it is. Doesn't mean they can be dismissed, but they should be taken with a pinch of salt and as an indication of things rather than definitive fact.

Think its dangerous and irresponsible and its why some people have themselves conflicted about having the vaccine or how to behaviour responsibly after having vaccine . I'm more than happy to take note of the experts rather than play silly billy politics in an ensuing pandemic.

 

[BlueToff]

Aye that’s true. Could be that the same fate awaits Europe a bit further down the line. Let’s see.

I think there's a good chance it's possible but indoor restrictions (masks or passports - which the latter was going to be in place by now if people hadn't kicked up a fuss, still should be IMO)/boosters might help those countries get ahead too.

 

[Joey66]

On the news to tonight Preston's hospital increase on Covid admissions mainly people with no Vaccinations...
These anti vaccination people should work on those wards - especially that idiot above! -

 

[BlueToff]

You beat the anti vaxxers with facts; you don't by just dismissing uncomfortable truths just because they're advantageous to their cause.

The stats are flawed, is what it is. Doesn't mean they can be dismissed, but they should be taken with a pinch of salt and as an indication of things rather than definitive fact.

And there are so uncomfortable truths around the vaccines.

I don't think they're uncomfortable enough for people to not take up the offer and genuine anti-vaxxers to me are insane, but they are there.

 

[BlueToff]

They are talking bollox.

No way cases double from now til December when everything is already open including Uni's and schools etc.

Dont underestimate the effects freshers week at uni's up and down the country would have done last month.

God bless the little shaggers ey

 

[ForeverBlue92]

God bless the little shaggers ey

The good old days when the only thing you was worried about catching was Genital Warts lol

 

[verreauxi]

 

[LinekersLegs]

@RAFUH


Any idea how I can get confirmation from my health insurer that they will pay for us to get a mix and match?

 

[Amw79]

Excess deaths is the most reliable one simply because it tracks the impact of a new disease. However, even that has problems because you then have to accommodate increased deaths due to the withdrawal of healthcare provision for other illnesses and disease. How many people could have lived if they could have seen a GP in person, or made that hospital appointment that was cancelled etc.

As I say, my best guess is the stats are generally around 15 to 20% off across the board, maybe as low as 10%, but I say that with absolutely no evidence because... Well, that's the problem isn't it?

Probably best not to guess then. The obvious benefit we have now, is having a variety of methodologies to assure against, and many of those having been in place for a long time, so are useful for comparison, irrespective of whatever margin of error is in there, as you’re comparing like for like. I’d be very surprised if the margin of error was 20% though, as I say, that should have been identified by this point.

Also, bad form for me to pull you on a previous post, but “you defeat anti-vaxxers with facts”? Not sure about that, ya know.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Ghost Rider]

If you want proof of fear mongering , this 100k cases a day nonsense.

Apart from the fact they keep rolling that line out and it never happens.

It's impossible to happen. For that to happen you need not only everyone in the country to catch covid, for those who have caught covid to catch it again within a time frame that isn't possible and for everyone to come into contact with each other within a short space of time.

Even if you had 100k cases a day, the likelyhood of them translating into actual sickness and hospital cases is negligible at best because most of the population have the damn vaccine. By the winter there will be millions of boosters in peoples arms as well re protecting those who need protecting.

This is what gets on my nerves now all this time later. Just nonsense being spewed out without telling people the truth.

Thing about 50 million vaccines delivered is that it doesn't leave much room for non vaccinated going into hospital and that is all you have left now. Eventually that figure runs out and by catching covid , you get the same or similar result to having the vaccine in the first place.

Entire country could be antibodied up or practically immune to covid by the winter. Restrictions were always going to come into force because common sense dictated them. Just be honest about it and not try and scare 50 million people who got off their arse and got the vaccine.

 

[RAFUH]

@RAFUH


Any idea how I can get confirmation from my health insurer that they will pay for us to get a mix and match?

It shouldn’t be a problem. They are required to be free so even if your insurance wouldn’t cover a specific vaccine, it shouldn‘t cost you anything.

Pharmacies and clinics may wait for the CDC to sign off on all this before they start giving them.

CDC - No cost Vaccine

 

[efcfanwirral]

If you want proof of fear mongering , this 100k cases a day nonsense.

Apart from the fact they keep rolling that line out and it never happens.

It's impossible to happen. For that to happen you need not only everyone in the country to catch covid, for those who have caught covid to catch it again within a time frame that isn't possible and for everyone to come into contact with each other within a short space of time.

Even if you had 100k cases a day, the likelyhood of them translating into actual sickness and hospital cases is negligible at best because most of the population have the damn vaccine. By the winter there will be millions of boosters in peoples arms as well re protecting those who need protecting.

This is what gets on my nerves now all this time later. Just nonsense being spewed out without telling people the truth.

Thing about 50 million vaccines delivered is that it doesn't leave much room for non vaccinated going into hospital and that is all you have left now. Eventually that figure runs out and by catching covid , you get the same or similar result to having the vaccine in the first place.

Entire country could be antibodied up or practically immune to covid by the winter. Restrictions were always going to come into force because common sense dictated them. Just be honest about it and not try and scare 50 million people who got off their arse and got the vaccine.

Mad isn't it. Government by behavioural science (and leaks, and fear, and lies...all separate issues and all horrible)

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Toffee in Jandals]

This was in New Zealand at "Freedom Rally" protests on Saturday, comparing living under restrictions and vaccination workplace mandates with events in Europe between 1933 - 1945. Grotesque. The self-absorbed, narcissistic, selfish middle-class white privilege is dripping off them.

Not being able to order a trim flat white at your favorite cafe because you choose to not be vaccinated kind of ain't the same thing as being herded onto cattle wagons against your will.